Proposal: Language code "de-DE-trad"

Torsten Bronger
Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:07:28 +0100

On Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2002 21:32 schrieben Sie:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:26:35 +0100, Torsten Bronger wrote:
> > > If this is the case, then how did this come to be adopted?  The Ger=
> > > speaking nations are all (presumably) democracies, which presumably
> > > also means that their respective governments can't get away with
> > > something like this.
> >
> > Sometimes the government doesn't ask.  And since it wasn't about taxe=
> > there wasn't enough protest to make it undone.
> > <suppressanger>presumably...</suppressanger>
> Don't be angry.  Governments, and their unilateral actions, are the ene=
> Not people.

Sorry.  I just forgot the winkeye.  ;-)

> [...]
> The point being that governments can't get away with doing something li=
> this in a democracy unless the people let them.  I think that it's quit=
> important to this discussion to understand if this new orthography is g=
> to succeed, or if the people of the affected nations are going to rende=
r it
> into an impotent joke (much like the metrification of the US).

I'd lie if I said I that could forsee that.  Most well-educated (and ther=
interested) people don't accept it.  But the majority of publishers
has switched to the new form.  Authorities, of course, completely.  And
it is the only variant being taught at schools.  So, I think in the long =
it will probably and (unfortunately) succeed.

> If the new orthography turns out to be a joke, then the chosen names of=
> language codes should reflect that.  No matter what we, or any governme=
> may have to say about it, the people will use the most convenient name =
> their way of expressing German.  And what is the "most convenient name"=
> not necessarily be obvious.
> > > And if this is the case, what is the likelihood that the government
> > > after the next elections will toss it out?
> >
> > None.  It's difficult to explain, but such things go a very long way.
> I understand the reluctant to tackle reform again in the wake of a fail=
> but what barrier would there be to the next government in some number o=
> the (three?) affected countries saying "it was a mistake, we're tossing=
> out and retaining the old status quo"?  In other words, bowing to what =
> people have already decided?

The "states" of the USA are called "lands" in Germany.  We have 16 of the=
Everyone has full control of cultural issues, the federal government has
simply no control.  Then Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Lichtenstein, Luxem=
and Belgium -- all with German speaking population and -- as far as I=20
understand the statement on the Duden webpage -- involved in the last ref=

Therefore the whole system is very awkward and slow.  This last reform ha=
a forerun of 16 years.