IDNA and Multilingual Internet issues and vocabulary after IDNA2008

Hector Santos hsantos at
Sat Aug 20 02:10:42 CEST 2011

Not commenting of the legal stuff,  I have to admit I like the idea of 
the Glossary web site with the consolidation of divest material.  I 
thought it had some awkward reading injection of material that 
probably was not necessary, maybe little unprofessional, but overall 
for such a divest environment on the Internet, the basic Glossary idea 
was interesting that I found to be informational. I think it will 
gives people, especially for the new, a better sense of the global 
connected nature of the various groups. If anything, there was an 
initial perception of commercial interest, but that didn't seem to be 
the case. But your email was definitely presented that way or at least 
its how I read it for a person who didn't know much about all these 
groups.  Maybe didn't help if that was not the intent.

Anyway, I hope the "legal" stuff can be settled.  It would be a 
resource link for me.

jean-michel bernier de portzamparc wrote:
> Dear Mr. Klensin,
> "we" are Internet and IETF users. This makes a pretty large community. There
> are three ways one can do it:
> - in surviving with what we (do not) get. Very large part of our community.
> - in hacking the internet from the outside on behalf of our right to protect
> ourselves from digital ecosystem pollution risks. Small part of our
> community.
> - in trying to cooperate with you guys and help your inside work with our
> outside perspective. Microscopic part of our community. Guess why? Please
> read the begining of your mail.
> We do it because Jefsey convinced a few of us and the IETF Chair that it had
> to be tried. However, if the inside Internet is made of individual's and
> ISOC's copyrights and cannot even be discussed and helped, Jefsey will soon
> be alone!
> Please respond: the ball is your field. Tell me: are we wrong trying to work
> in the open, liaise with the IETF and carry a lot of work to be able to
> answer you, the happiana, the PRECIS, the VIP people in a consistant way,
> also with other open works?
> This being said you perfectly know that this
> 2011/8/19 John C Klensin <john-ietf at>
>> without any specific
>> attribution or acknowledgment.  Those materials include several
>> RFCs and draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc3536bis.
> is wrong. Your name, your RFCs etc. are quoted as such. We do not publish,
> we try to draft a pertinent mail to you!
>> I am an author or major
>> contributor on several of those.  Especially since I had asked
>> earlier that any compendium of this sort list terms covered in
>> other documents, comment on them as you thought appropriate,
> This is correct. But to respond to you, a lot of work must be carried.
> Beginning with an enlarged scope to other intricate real needs you did not
> consider yet.
> Portzamparc
> BTW I am not French, I am Breton!
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