consensus Call: TATWEEL

Manal Ismail manal at
Tue Mar 24 14:43:16 CET 2009

Dear All ..
I'm not sure if I'm eligible to voting on this issue as I have just joined the list but I would like to cast my voice to
YES (ie make it DISALLOWED)
for the obvious confusion reasons mentioned and illustrated by Raed ..
I would like also to stress that:
- Tatweel is a pure presentation issue
- It gives more opportunities to bad faith registrations while it gives more burden in term of hassle and cost to registrants (unlimited defensive registrations)
- It adds to end-user confusion
- It neither allows for more users to register nor allows for more names to be registered (as, of course, all such names, for security reasons, should be bundled to a single user)
I hope this adds to the discussion ..
Manal Ismail
National Telecom Regulatory Authority


From:  Raed Al-Fayez [mailto:rfayez at]
Sent: Tue 24/03/2009 07:47 AM
To: Vint Cerf; idna-update at
Subject: RE: consensus Call: TATWEEL

Dear All, 

As a native Arabic speaker I strongly vote for 

        YES (ie make it DISALLOWED) 

for the following reasons: 

1- It is so similar to the hyphen (see file: TATWEEL-1.jpg): 
        ????     vs    ?-? 

2- It will add more help domain fishing and user confusion (see file: TATWEEL-2.jpg): 
        ?????    vs    ?????   vs    ??????  

3- It is not a letter or a digit (conflict with LDH concept) 

4- do we really want to see these type of labels as domains (see file: TATWEEL-4.jpg): 
        ??????    vs   ?  vs ???????????????  vs ?-?-?-?-??   (the last one is composed of TATWEEL + Hyphen) 

5- If someone feels that all registries are capable of fixing problems in all the languages than why not enabling all code points and simplify the IDNA protocol!!!!!!

        I believe that we need to simplify the registry operations by keeping them focused on the core functions and not adding extra work/load on the script problems/issues 

Thanks .. 

With best regards, 
Raed I. Al-Fayez 
Senior Information System Specialist 
Saudi Network Information Center (SaudiNIC) 
Communication and Information Technology Commission (CITC) 
Tel: + 966-1-2639235   - Fax: + 966-1-2639393 <>  

-----Original Message----- 
From: idna-update-bounces at [mailto:idna-update-bounces at] On Behalf Of Vint Cerf 
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:32 PM 
To: idna-update at 
Subject: consensus Call: TATWEEL 

Based on the on-line exchanges, it appears to me that the general  
consensus is to ban TATWEEL by exception (ie. make it DISALLOWED). 

Please respond with: 

YES (ie make it DISALLOWED) 

NO (ie leave it PVALID) 

OTHER: <explain what you propose> 

I will tally the responses arriving by April 4, midnight, EDT. 

Vint Cerf 
1818 Library Street, Suite 400 
Reston, VA 20190 
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