FW: Consensus Call on Latin Sharp S and Greek Final Sigma

Wed Dec 2 06:05:16 CET 2009

Hello Vint Cerf / Lisa Dusseault / IDNA Working Group,

As a Greek-Cypriot and would like to say that the final "sigma" is
necessary. This is our official language and I would request that it be
added. The registry manager should be the one that decides upon the
registration rules to make this useful for Greek/Cypriot users. I am
compelled to say that Greek / Cypriot users would appreciate having the
full-scale of their official language implemented.

(1) Both characters should be PVALID (Latin Small Letter Sharp S and Greek
Small Letter Final Sigma be PVALID in IDNA2008)

Sincerely,

Constantinos Georgios Roussos

Roussos Group of Companies
19 Mesolongiou St, Limassol 3032, Cyprus
Tel: +357 25374000
Fax: +357 25363193
http://www.roussosgroup.com
Email: cgr at roussosgroup.com

.music
468 N. Camden Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210
Tel: +1 310 985 8661
Fax: +1 213 688 8900
http://www.music.us
Email: costa at music.us

-----Original Message-----
> From: idna-update-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:
> idna-update-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Vint Cerf
> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:28 PM
> To: idna-update at alvestrand.no
> Cc: lisa Dusseault
> Subject: Consensus Call on Latin Sharp S and Greek Final Sigma
>
> In consultation with the area director, issues were raised concerning
> the consensus on the use of Latin small letter sharp S and Greek small
> final sigma as PVALID in IDNA2008.
>
> I have copied the working group on a request for opinion from the
> Unicode Technical Committee.
>
> By this message, I request a response from the Working Group on the
> question:
>
> Should Latin Small Letter Sharp S and Greek Small Letter Final Sigma
> be PVALID in IDNA2008 or not:
>
> Please Respond by choosing among the following:
>
> (1) Both characters should be PVALID
> (2) Both characters should be DISALLOWED
> (3) Only Latin Small Letter Sharp S should be PVALID
> (4) Only Greek Small Letter Final Sigma should be PVALID
>
> Choices (3) and (4) create additional complexity in dealing with
> IDNA2003 and IDNA2008 disparities
>
> During the Last Call, a number of objections were raised with regard
> to choice (1) and this led the Area Director to question the rough
> consensus that the WG submission to IESG claimed.
>
> It will be much appreciated if all working group members would respond
> by December 8.
>
> thanks,
>
> vint cerf
>
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Vaggelis Segredakis <segred at ics.forth.gr>
> To: 'Vint Cerf' <vint at google.com>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:02:30 -0800
> Subject: Consensus Call on Latin Sharp S and Greek Final Sigma
> Dear Vint,
>
> If the question you raised is a step to eliminate these two characters then
> my answer is NO;
>
> (1) Both characters should be PVALID
>
> However, please keep in mind that I do not regard the solution of the IDNA
> protocol in general as optimal solution (please take a look at my
> presentation in the last IGF meeting in Egypt
>
> https://www.centr.org/main/5354-CTR/version/default/part/AttachmentData/data
>
> /IGF2009%20-%20Segredakis%20IDNA2008%20a%20Protocol%20with%20shortcomings.pd
> f<https://www.centr.org/main/5354-CTR/version/default/part/AttachmentData/data%0A/IGF2009%20-%20Segredakis%20IDNA2008%20a%20Protocol%20with%20shortcomings.pd%0Af>).
> This protocol presents lots of shortcomings for the Greek language and
> actually requests from the end-user to adapt to it instead of the protocol
> adapting to the languages.
>
> As we move forward with IDNA2008 I would welcome very much a request from
> this WG to the IETF to introduce a xNAME command in the DNS that will allow
> whole domain name trees to equal each other (one level above DNAME) since
> Greek registrants will have to have lots of domain names pointing one to
> the
> other just to receive emails properly.
>
> If this wouldn't be a choice, a new protocol that would take in account all
> these issues and start from scratch, maybe with character formatting
> instead
> of PUNYCODE translations and mappings would be a nicer solution than a
> patch
> of the IDNA which carries skeletons of the past. However, this very last
> paragraph is my personal wish-list and not a formal position.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Vaggelis Segredakis
> Administrator of the .GR Top Level Domain
> Institute of Computer Science
> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas
> Tel. +30-281-0391450
> Fax +30-281-0391451
> Email segred at ics.forth.gr
>
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> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:28:22 -0500
> From: Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>
> Subject: Consensus Call on Latin Sharp S and Greek Final Sigma
> To: idna-update at alvestrand.no
> Cc: lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault at gmail.com>
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> In consultation with the area director, issues were raised concerning the
> consensus on the use of Latin small letter sharp S and Greek small final
> sigma as PVALID in IDNA2008.
>
> I have copied the working group on a request for opinion from the Unicode
> Technical Committee.
>
> By this message, I request a response from the Working Group on the
> question:
>
> Should Latin Small Letter Sharp S and Greek Small Letter Final Sigma be
> PVALID in IDNA2008 or not:
>
> Please Respond by choosing among the following:
>
> (1) Both characters should be PVALID
> (2) Both characters should be DISALLOWED
> (3) Only Latin Small Letter Sharp S should be PVALID
> (4) Only Greek Small Letter Final Sigma should be PVALID
>
> Choices (3) and (4) create additional complexity in dealing with
> IDNA2003 and IDNA2008 disparities
>
> During the Last Call, a number of objections were raised with regard to
> choice (1) and this led the Area Director to question the rough consensus
> that the WG submission to IESG claimed.
>
> It will be much appreciated if all working group members would respond by
> December 8.
>
> thanks,
>
> vint cerf
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Idna-update mailing list
> Idna-update at alvestrand.no
> http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update
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