Hello Vint Cerf / Lisa Dusseault / IDNA Working Group,<br><br>As a Greek-Cypriot and would like to say that the final "sigma" is necessary. This is our official language and I would request that it be added. The registry manager should be the one that decides upon the registration rules to make this useful for Greek/Cypriot users. I am compelled to say that Greek / Cypriot users would appreciate having the full-scale of their official language implemented.<br>
<br>(1) Both characters should be PVALID (Latin Small Letter Sharp S and Greek Small Letter Final Sigma be PVALID in IDNA2008)<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Constantinos Georgios Roussos<br><br>Roussos Group of Companies<br>19 Mesolongiou St, Limassol 3032, Cyprus<br>
Tel: +357 25374000<br>Fax: +357 25363193<br><a href="http://www.roussosgroup.com" target="_blank">http://www.roussosgroup.com</a><br>Email: <a href="mailto:cgr@roussosgroup.com" target="_blank">cgr@roussosgroup.com</a><br>
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From: <a href="mailto:idna-update-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">idna-update-bounces@alvestrand.no</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:idna-update-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">idna-update-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>] On Behalf Of Vint Cerf<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:idna-update@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">idna-update@alvestrand.no</a><br>
Cc: lisa Dusseault<br>
Subject: Consensus Call on Latin Sharp S and Greek Final Sigma<br>
<br>
In consultation with the area director, issues were raised concerning<br>
the consensus on the use of Latin small letter sharp S and Greek small<br>
final sigma as PVALID in IDNA2008.<br>
<br>
I have copied the working group on a request for opinion from the<br>
Unicode Technical Committee.<br>
<br>
By this message, I request a response from the Working Group on the<br>
question:<br>
<br>
Should Latin Small Letter Sharp S and Greek Small Letter Final Sigma<br>
be PVALID in IDNA2008 or not:<br>
<br>
Please Respond by choosing among the following:<br>
<br>
(1) Both characters should be PVALID<br>
(2) Both characters should be DISALLOWED<br>
(3) Only Latin Small Letter Sharp S should be PVALID<br>
(4) Only Greek Small Letter Final Sigma should be PVALID<br>
<br>
Choices (3) and (4) create additional complexity in dealing with<br>
IDNA2003 and IDNA2008 disparities<br>
<br>
During the Last Call, a number of objections were raised with regard<br>
to choice (1) and this led the Area Director to question the rough<br>
consensus that the WG submission to IESG claimed.<br>
<br>
It will be much appreciated if all working group members would respond<br>
by December 8.<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
<br>
vint cerf<br>
<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Vaggelis Segredakis <<a href="mailto:segred@ics.forth.gr" target="_blank">segred@ics.forth.gr</a>><br>To: 'Vint Cerf' <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com" target="_blank">vint@google.com</a>><br>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:02:30 -0800<br>Subject: Consensus Call on Latin Sharp S and Greek Final Sigma<br>Dear Vint,<br>
<br>
If the question you raised is a step to eliminate these two characters then<br>
my answer is NO;<br>
<br>
(1) Both characters should be PVALID<br>
<br>
However, please keep in mind that I do not regard the solution of the IDNA<br>
protocol in general as optimal solution (please take a look at my<br>
presentation in the last IGF meeting in Egypt<br>
<a href="https://www.centr.org/main/5354-CTR/version/default/part/AttachmentData/data%0A/IGF2009%20-%20Segredakis%20IDNA2008%20a%20Protocol%20with%20shortcomings.pd%0Af" target="_blank">https://www.centr.org/main/5354-CTR/version/default/part/AttachmentData/data<br>
/IGF2009%20-%20Segredakis%20IDNA2008%20a%20Protocol%20with%20shortcomings.pd<br>
f</a>). This protocol presents lots of shortcomings for the Greek language and<br>
actually requests from the end-user to adapt to it instead of the protocol<br>
adapting to the languages.<br>
<br>
As we move forward with IDNA2008 I would welcome very much a request from<br>
this WG to the IETF to introduce a xNAME command in the DNS that will allow<br>
whole domain name trees to equal each other (one level above DNAME) since<br>
Greek registrants will have to have lots of domain names pointing one to the<br>
other just to receive emails properly.<br>
<br>
If this wouldn't be a choice, a new protocol that would take in account all<br>
these issues and start from scratch, maybe with character formatting instead<br>
of PUNYCODE translations and mappings would be a nicer solution than a patch<br>
of the IDNA which carries skeletons of the past. However, this very last<br>
paragraph is my personal wish-list and not a formal position.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
<br>
Vaggelis Segredakis<br>
Administrator of the .GR Top Level Domain<br>
Institute of Computer Science<br>
Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas<br>
Tel. +30-281-0391450<br>
Fax +30-281-0391451<br>
Email <a href="mailto:segred@ics.forth.gr" target="_blank">segred@ics.forth.gr</a><br>
<br>
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:28:22 -0500<br>
From: Vint Cerf <<a href="mailto:vint@google.com" target="_blank">vint@google.com</a>><br>
Subject: Consensus Call on Latin Sharp S and Greek Final Sigma<br>
To: <a href="mailto:idna-update@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">idna-update@alvestrand.no</a><br>
Cc: lisa Dusseault <<a href="mailto:lisa.dusseault@gmail.com" target="_blank">lisa.dusseault@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<br>
In consultation with the area director, issues were raised concerning the<br>
consensus on the use of Latin small letter sharp S and Greek small final<br>
sigma as PVALID in IDNA2008.<br>
<br>
I have copied the working group on a request for opinion from the Unicode<br>
Technical Committee.<br>
<br>
By this message, I request a response from the Working Group on the<br>
question:<br>
<br>
Should Latin Small Letter Sharp S and Greek Small Letter Final Sigma be<br>
PVALID in IDNA2008 or not:<br>
<br>
Please Respond by choosing among the following:<br>
<br>
(1) Both characters should be PVALID<br>
(2) Both characters should be DISALLOWED<br>
(3) Only Latin Small Letter Sharp S should be PVALID<br>
(4) Only Greek Small Letter Final Sigma should be PVALID<br>
<br>
Choices (3) and (4) create additional complexity in dealing with<br>
IDNA2003 and IDNA2008 disparities<br>
<br>
During the Last Call, a number of objections were raised with regard to<br>
choice (1) and this led the Area Director to question the rough consensus<br>
that the WG submission to IESG claimed.<br>
<br>
It will be much appreciated if all working group members would respond by<br>
December 8.<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
<br>
vint cerf<br>
<br>
<br>
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