WG Review: Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (Revised) (idnabis)

Eric Brunner-Williams ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net
Thu Apr 10 18:18:39 CEST 2008


That's the draft. The named authors were Li Ming Tseng, Deng Xiang, Ho 
Jan-Ming, Xiaodong Lee, Kenny Huang,
Wenhui Zhang, Hsu Nai-Wen, Sun Guonian, Erin Chen, and Zhang Hong. Their 
affiliations were CNNIC, TWNIC, and CDNC (which then included persons 
representing Hong Kong and Macao), and of course the draft was discussed 
at length in at least one joint CDNC-JET (CN,TW,KR,JP NIC) meeting I 

Some time later I wrote to the then IRTF chair and mentioned the 
conclusion of some earlier workshop which had some language about the 
necessity of further work on character sets. I suggested acting on the 
prior conclusion, starting an IRTF task. The response to that was "no".

So the "lesson" drawn at the time was that intermediate tables, or 
tables, was out of scope. This is well in advance of any subsequent 
conclusions Martin mentioned, though the N-to-M nature of the proposed 
mappings was known to the above authors at the time they first offered a 
tsconv draft.

This, more than the content, surprised me the most about 

I'll stop here, I've got travel today to a meeting, so I'm out of time.


Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>> Vint Cerf wrote:
>>> The "public" reference is in some sense both a combination of more 
>>> IETF involvement beyond the design team that has developed the IDs 
>>> upon which it is expected the working group effort will be based and 
>>> the general public to the extent that "last call" might engage 
>>> parties in addition to the usual IETF participants. Please do note 
>>> however that the design team believes it has consulted selectively 
>>> among IETF and linguistic experts in the course of refining its 
>>> proposal. It wishes to validate its work with a wider community.
>> Vint,
>> When we consider how IETF Working Groups, or the IETF as a body 
>> function functions, that is, when we consider what "the usual IETF 
>> participants" bring to truly difficult issues, the outcome of the 
>> tsconv draft may be illuminating to others. I know it was an 
>> illuminating experience to myself, and to the named authors.
>> I don't suppose for a moment that the tsconv experience must be 
>> repeated, but I don't know that the assumptions that lead up to it 
>> have been critically examined and any issues identified and resolved. 
> Eric,
> would you care to be a little bit more explicit?
> hta at hta-warp:~$ ls internet-drafts/*tsconv*
> ls: internet-drafts/*tsconv*: No such file or directory
> so I guess you mean:
> Internet Draft                                 Authors: XiaoDong LEE
> <draft-ietf-idn-tsconv-02.txt>                          HSU NAI-WEN
> Nov 16th, 2001                                          Deng Xiang
> Expires in six months                                   Erin Chen
>                                                        Zhang Hong
>                                                        Sun Guonian
> But what lessons did you draw from it?
>                  Harald
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