WG Review: Internationalized Domain Namesin Applications (Revised) (idnabis)

Martin Duerst duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp
Thu Apr 10 12:16:18 CEST 2008

Not speaking for Eric at all, but it took a very, very long time
for the two sides on the debate to understand what was the best
way forward. One side (the draft authors and others) was convinced
that equivalence between simplified and traditional forms of Chinese
characters in IDNs was essential, the other side (Ken, me, and some
others) knew that it was impossible because the mapping was not 1-to-1
and way more complex and language dependent than case mapping.

The solution we arrived at in the end was bundling, but that may
have taken 2 years or more.

Regards,    Martin.

At 18:08 08/04/10, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
>Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>> Vint Cerf wrote:
>>> The "public" reference is in some sense both a combination of more IETF involvement beyond the design team that has developed the IDs upon which it is expected the working group effort will be based and the general public to the extent that "last call" might engage parties in addition to the usual IETF participants. Please do note however that the design team believes it has consulted selectively among IETF and linguistic experts in the course of refining its proposal. It wishes to validate its work with a wider community.
>> Vint,
>> When we consider how IETF Working Groups, or the IETF as a body function functions, that is, when we consider what "the usual IETF participants" bring to truly difficult issues, the outcome of the tsconv draft may be illuminating to others. I know it was an illuminating experience to myself, and to the named authors.
>> I don't suppose for a moment that the tsconv experience must be repeated, but I don't know that the assumptions that lead up to it have been critically examined and any issues identified and resolved. 
>would you care to be a little bit more explicit?
>hta at hta-warp:~$ ls internet-drafts/*tsconv*
>ls: internet-drafts/*tsconv*: No such file or directory
>so I guess you mean:
>Internet Draft                                 Authors: XiaoDong LEE
><draft-ietf-idn-tsconv-02.txt>                          HSU NAI-WEN
>Nov 16th, 2001                                          Deng Xiang
>Expires in six months                                   Erin Chen
>                                                        Zhang Hong
>                                                        Sun Guonian
>But what lessons did you draw from it?
>                  Harald
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