Controlling the IETF -- Engineers vs. Marketeers and Politeers

[Randy Bush]

> The discussion about standards track status highlights a basic source of
> disparity in quite a few of our discussions about changing the IETF.
> ...
> But let's not be distracted by the folks outside the world of IETF
> development and implementation.

i missed the part where marketeers et al. we pushing the ip over
mime document?  who outside is trying to distract us?  or is it
that we need more feeling of "us vs. them" to make us feel good
about ourselves?

randy