ineffective use of meeting time

[Bound, Jim]

These are all valid points I agree.  But presentation should be to
foster the discussion Keith states.

Also the chairs need to just pick subjects for discussion and give them
time.

I would rather have 3 good working group discussions than 15 10 minute
updates.

And I really do not need to hear the status of the entire working group
at a meeting.  That clearly can be done on email.

I admit my bias.  If you don't read the email, if you don't read the
specs, or if you don't at least talk to the folks in the WG and come to
a meeting you deserve NO consideration for time by the IETF. In fact why
are you even here is the question I always wonder?  Fine to be there
anyway but the IETF should not cater to such individuals.

/jim

/jim

 


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Lewis [mailto:edlewis at arin.net] 
>Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:26 PM
>To: Pete Resnick
>Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no; Aaron Falk
>Subject: Re: ineffective use of meeting time
>
>
>At one time I was convinced that having no slides were better than 
>any slides at an IETF meeting.
>
>But there are three benefits of slides:
>    1) Helps folks that are not sufficiently proficient in the 
>language of the
>       presenter.
>    2) Forces the presenter to pre-think examples to motivate 
>issue discussion.
>    3) Much easier to use a laptop than lug white/chalk 
>boards, overhead
>       projectors, blank (expensive and often not recycled) 
>foils, and odorous
>       markers.  (I.e., Easier on the conference arrangers, so 
>far as I know.)
>
>BTW, in provreg this time, most of the discussion was tracked and 
>presented using vi with two flashes of a http client.
>
>At 10:06 -0800 3/21/03, Pete Resnick wrote:
>>On 3/21/03 at 10:04 AM -0800, Aaron Falk wrote:
>>
>>>I agree with you frusteration but I also think that a short
>>>presentation is useful for focusing the group on the topic at hand 
>>>to get a more useful discussion.
>>
>>It's only useful if people haven't read the documents beforehand. I
>>have. Seems like a waste of time to me.
>>--
>>Pete Resnick <mailto:presnick at qualcomm.com>
>>QUALCOMM Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: 
>(858)651-1102
>
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