ADs who are also WG chairs

john.loughney at john.loughney at
Sat Jun 28 08:51:12 CEST 2003

Hi all,

My opinion on this is that ADs SHOULD NOT be WG chairs. My reasons,
in no particular order are:

1) concerns about current IESG overload - IESG members have a lot of 
   work as it is.  Adding more work is not a good thing.
2) concerns that individuals will fear challenging AD because of possible
   problems later on in the IETF process - hopefully unlikely, but
   people will speculate - or at least develop conspiracies.
3) potential conflicts of interest & no good guidelines for how
   someone could recuse themselves & under what circumstances they should.
4) concerns about lack of transparancy - already a number of issues
   have been raised about WG creation, WG Chair picking, etc.

But in summary, does the IETF really need an IESG member to be a WG
chair?  There are a lot of talented people in the IETF, why can't a
non-IETF WG chair be found?  Is there a problem about a WG that 
only an IESG member run it? If so, I would imagine the WG probably
has other problems then.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext James Kempf [mailto:kempf at]
> Sent: 27 June, 2003 18:17
> To: Avri Doria; problem-statement at
> Subject: Re: ADs who are also WG chairs
> >
> > One of the issues that came up in the discussion on rough consensus
> > is the issue of ADs being WG chairs - either in their own area or in
> > another area.
> >
> > I do not believe this dual role aspect of IETF management is yet
> > reflected in the problem draft.
> >
> > Should it be?
> >
> As long as the AD acting as a WG chair recluses themselves from any and all
> IESG decisions having to do with the WG, to avoid conflict of interest, I
> don't think there should be a problem. I think its somewhat more
> questionable if the WG is in the same area, since it removes one person from
> oversight, and having two technically knowledgable, independent opinions on
> a WG is often useful.
> That said, I cannot see how, given the workload, an AD can possibly do a
> good job as a WG chair and still expect to fufill their duties as an AD.
> Just on the basis of that alone, it might be sensible to consider some kind
> of strong disapproval, if not restriction, and make it an exceptional case.
> My 0.02 euro.
>             jak

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