pbaker at verisign.com
Tue Jun 24 13:38:20 CEST 2003
Pure sophistry, the WG process failed because an individual was allowed to
abuse it for three years. The three years delay was the failure of the WG.
I want to see evidence the IETF is committed to reform and openness before
making any appeal.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Seng [mailto:jseng at pobox.org.sg]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:32 PM
> To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> Cc: 'problem-statement at alvestrand.no'
> Subject: Re: "trouble maker"
> The appeal process is a very important aspect of the IETF WG
> process. It
> is the safe-guard and check-and-balance against the power of the wg
> chair. Without the appeal process, the WG process dont make sense.
> Hence, you cannot conclude the WG process dont work if you
> dont use the
> appeal process.
> This has nothing to do who is chairing or if the same person
> is on the
> IESG or IAB.
> -James Seng
> Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
> > That is not the point I raised which was a failure of the
> IETF WG process,
> > not the appeals process.
> > The fact that the same individual can abuse the original WG
> process and then
> > participate in the appeals process is relevant however. In
> fact it is even
> > possible in theory for a single individual to chair the
> original WG and
> > participate in both the original and IAB appeal if the
> IESG/IAB liason were
> > involved.
> > Phill
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: James Seng [mailto:jseng at pobox.org.sg]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:10 PM
> >>To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> >>Cc: 'problem-statement at alvestrand.no'
> >>Subject: Re: "trouble maker"
> >>If you pursue the appeal process as documented in RFC 2026 and you
> >>failed despite having all evidences that you should win, I
> will agree
> >>that you have a case to state this as a problem.
> >>But you choose not to use the process. And your decision to
> pursue an
> >>alternative appeal *does not* indicate a failure of the IETF
> >>appeal process.
> >>-James Seng
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