"trouble maker"

[Hallam-Baker, Phillip]

Scott writes

"If the chair hisses when someone stands up to speak that's more than
just being "politically incorrect".  However, that kind of lack of
training in chairs is already covered."


It should not require training for someone to realize that this type of
behavior is unacceptable.

Given that the chair in question is a current member of the IESG it seems
more likely that he would be choosen to give any training that might occur
than attend or take notice of it.

The problem is the lack of effective accountability of the chairs to the
working groups. The IETF pretends to be open but is an entirely top down
organization. There is no accountability of a WG chair to the working group.

Even when a sizable proportion of a WG call for the resignation of a chair
on the list (and I presume like myself confer with the AD) nothing happens,
not even a comment from the AD to the list to state that the concerns have
been noted.

Of course in this particular case the chair was also a member of the IESG so
there was possibly an in built reluctance to challenge a fellow AD, but the
result is no effective recourse and no effective appeal.


The superficial problem could be addressed through a strict requirement that
an AD MUST NOT be a WG chair, even in a different area. But that would not
address the fundamental inconsistency of top down authoritarian control in
an organization trying to be open and inclusive.

		Phill