Trusting the IESG to manage the reform process (was:Re:Doingthe Right Things?)

[Randy Bush]

>>> Still, we need to find reasonable, community based criteria --
>>> beyond just the criteria of the working group, so that it
>>> represents a broader view -- with the IESG enforcing it, rather
>>> than inventing it.
> 
> 1.
> RB> does not scale.  this is still the mode where the authors, wgs,
> RB> chairs, ... wuss out.
> 
> 2.
> RB> quality management 101: the philosophy of building quality has to
> RB> be pushed to the edges so it encompasses the whole organization.
> 
> 
> These two two statements appear to be mutually exclusive. The first says you
> can't trust all the folks "out there" because they wuss out, while the
> second says you have to have quality "at the edges". If the latter does
> not mean all those folk "out there" then who are you referring to?
> 
> Most interestingly, the first statement fundamentally translates to:
> 
>     The entire body of folk who do the core work of the IETF have no
>     understanding or integrity about quality.

no.  it says YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT THEM is incorrect.

randy