Document Series
Bound, Jim
Jim.Bound at hp.com
Sat Jun 7 23:21:32 CEST 2003
I completely disagree with you Mr. Halpern. The standard is not to be
as robust or mean't to be at PS. Please re-read Bob Hinden's mail more
carefully.
/jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:joel at stevecrocker.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:14 PM
> To: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> Subject: Re: Document Series
>
>
> I think we are each making assumptions about the history that
> led to this,
> and it would not surprise me if we are making different
> assumptions. Note that I do not have data to back my
> understanding / memory, so I may
> well be confused.
>
> My understanding is that the higher bar to PS arose as a
> consequence of
> things being widely deployed at PS and things not advancing
> to Draft rather
> than the deployment and non-advancement being a consequence
> of the high bar.
>
> This is important in the sense that if the lack of
> advancement came first,
> then simply lowering the bar will not help us get better
> standards, and in
> fact could result in our ending up with lower quality
> documents permanently.
>
> Yours,
> Joel M. Halpern
>
> At 05:03 PM 6/3/2003 -0700, Bob Hinden wrote (in response to
> Dave Crocker):
> >As you correctly point out the IETF (and as implemented by
> the IESG) is
> >not using the standards process we have defined. It has
> been changed
> >where the initial barrier has been raised very high at
> Proposed Standard
> >and hardy anything gets to Draft standard, let alone (Full) Standard.
> >
> >I think that many of the problems folks are complaining
> about stem from
> >this. It causes the IESG to worry about letting a document
> get to PS that
> >is not perfect. This results in many detailed reviews and
> documents being
> >blocked for what might seem minor reasons. This in turn
> creates a work
> >load on the IESG that is close to impossible. The resulting
> delays cause
> >frustration between authors, chairs, working groups, AD,
> etc. I think
> >that a lot of this stems from trying to make PS the biggest hurdle.
>
>
>
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