attempts to exclude people from WGs (was ADs who are also WG chairs)

[Avri Doria]

To bring this back to Problems and an attempt to make sure we have
all of the problems documented, when the draft show up (it has been
submitted)  please go through it  and then suggest language that needs 
to
be added or amended.

Please lets not bicker.

Thanks

a.
On lördag, jul 5, 2003, at 05:56 Asia/Seoul, Hallam-Baker, Phillip 
wrote:

>> basically any bias you add to the selection of people who are
>> at the table
>> will favor somebody or another, and the fact that the bias
>> exists can be used
>> to try to get a competitive advanage.
>
> Ah, so because there is no 'perfect' alternative that satisfies Keith 
> there
> is no choice but to accept the current situation where the only people 
> with
> any say are the IETF establishment.
>
> I prefer a partly flawed selection than the current situation where 
> only the
> WG chair gets to make any decision according to whatever process he 
> chooses
> and then the IESG and IAB refuse to intervene so long as the abuse 
> takes
> place in accordance with the 'process'.
>
> Again, either you open up the IETF process so that everyone has a say 
> in the
> outcome or we will find an alternative venue to agree standards. There 
> is no
> divine right by which the IETF is the only arbiter of Internet 
> protocols. If
> the IETF refuses to be open and accountable it is not going to be 
> allowed to
> be part of the standards decision process.
>
>
> 		Phill
>
>