Normative references (was: Re: Killing old/slow groups-transition thinking)

[Harrington, David]

Hi,

Let me point out that part of the 33 documents are the 9 SNMPv3 =
documents. It is unusual to have that many documents all moving at the =
same time, if I understand comments from the rfc-editor. Those 9 are =
ready to move forward now. So it could be argued that the queue really =
is only 24 documents. Given the number of documents we produce with REF =
depednencies, I think that's not too bad.

dbh
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co-chair, IETF SNMPv3 WG


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian@hursley.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:56 AM
> To: Frank Kastenholz
> Cc: John C Klensin; Harald Tveit Alvestrand;
> problem-statement@alvestrand.no
> Subject: Re: Normative references (was: Re: Killing old/slow
> groups-transition thinking)
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> Frank Kastenholz wrote:
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> > At 03:00 PM 12/13/2002 +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> > >John,
> > >
> > >In the RFC Ed queue I find 33 documents in the REF state, i.e.
> > >stuck waiting for a normative reference. That's out of just over
> > >60 documents which appear to be the standards/RFC track (that count
> > >is a little hard to establish).
> > >
> > >So, this is a fairly significant problem, although I can't deduce
> > >its effect on queuing time from the data. And fairly clearly,
> > >those 33 documents have all left the IESG.
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> > I don't know how you can say that.
> > One data point does not a trend make...
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> True enough, but the fact that about half the current
> batch are stuck on references is nevertheless a strong
> indicator that we have a feature.
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> > How long have the documents been sitting there?
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> This you can see in the queue. Between zero and 10 months.
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> > What document(s) are they waiting for?
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> This you can see in the queue.=20
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> > Why are those documents late?
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> That would be hard to determine without 33 separate investigations.
> But I sampled 10 of the 33 cases; 9 of them are waiting for
> documents that are not in the RFC Ed queue; the 10th is waiting
> for a document in AUTH state (holding for author action).
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> > How long till the one's they are waiting for pop out?
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> This you can see in the tealeaves.
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> > What has been the historical size and shape of the REF queue?
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> Good question. I don't know whether the RFC Ed has enough history
> to discover that. The IETF could certainly request it to be tracked
> in future. Harald?
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>   Brian
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