[Old-standards] Re: [newtrk] Re: List of Old Standards to be retired

Pekka Savola pekkas at netcore.fi
Fri Dec 17 06:32:32 CET 2004


Hi,

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, John C Klensin wrote:
[...]
> I suggest that the RFC Editor's traditional rule about normative
> references from standards track documents to things of a lower
> maturity level should apply here as well, even going backwards.
> If you think there is value in RFC 1517, and it makes normative
> reference to 1518 and 1519 (which it does-- I just checked),
> then 1518 and 1519 are live documents.  If one reclassifies them
> to historic, one risks really confusing users/readers and doing
> a world of harm.
>
> If you think it is worth keeping the content of 1517 while
> removing 1518 and 1519 from the standards track, then I think
> you need to arrange to replace ("obsolete") 1517 with a new
> document that stands alone, without those normative references.
> Such a document could, of course, obsolete all three of
> 1517-1519, which would eliminate the need for any processing in
> the "cruft" arrangements.

Correct, though 1517 only has a single References section, giving the 
RFC-editor/IESG some leeway which ones to consider normative.

If that is what it takes, a 5 page document -- based on RFC1517 -- 
could be easily written which would convey the CIDR principles without 
having to normatively reference the other documents.

I think I agree with you that we cannot just recycle 1517 (or any 
other CIDR document) to DS, it'll require some polishing.

-- 
Pekka Savola                 "You each name yourselves king, yet the
Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings

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