request for subtag for Elfdalian
arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org
Thu Feb 18 17:42:09 CET 2016
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 05:18:49PM +0100, Mats Blakstad wrote:
> I asked RA about the the 50 books, I got this answer:
>> Not all languages that have codes have 50 written works. However, the
>> reviewers felt that this case, with strong objections from the Swedish
>> government, should show that there would be serious separate language
>> development, apart from that of Swedish. The number 50 is one used by part
>> 2 of the standard as a minimum to create a new language, so that is why it
>> was chosen.
But have they actually requested 50 documents in Elfdalian in support
of the application? I can't see that anywhere in the rejection
comments, and in fact the second paragraph seems to imply the contrary
(in the sentence starting "Beyond the Part 2 subset"). If they've done
that it is indeed unfair (and even more so to not state it clearly).
>> They must mean that Standard Swedish is a Dachsprache of Elfdalian
>> ([de] Dach: roof), it's a sociolinguistic concept. I don't think that's
>> particularly controversial; whether it warrants rejecting the
>> application for a primary language code is another matter, of course.
> It is not controversial to say that Elfdalian is not a Dachsprache, but to
> say that Elfdalian is not a language because it is not a Dachsprache is
> harder to swallow...
I agree, that's more or less what I said.
> and that we need to ask Sweden for permission to
> recognize it for what it really is; that's an ethnic argument and not
> relevant for ISO 639 which represent codes for languages.
I don't think ethnicity has anything to do with it (are there any
claims that people in Älvdalen are different ethnically than the rest of
Dalecarlia or Sweden?). It's just political.
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