Registration request for new subtag

Doug Ewell doug at
Wed Sep 24 00:46:05 CEST 2014

HMRD Cesidio Tallini <ct at 5world dot net> wrote:

> UMMOA English is more than just specialised jargon, since the new
> terms are more than just political in nature.

Jargon is by no means limited to political speech, and I'm pretty sure I
never said it was.

> I thus believe that UMMOA English is more that just a new field of
> human endeavour, and encompasses the life of a global nation and
> society that is highly tolerant even linguistically, and non-
> capitalistic/non-imperialistic in its values. These intolerant,
> capitalistic, and imperialistic values are the ne plus ultra of any
> modern regional variety of English currently classified in any
> authoritative manner,

IETF language tags aren't meant to capture this sort of thing. Sorry.

> If you wish to arbitrarily attack me for using my name in some of my
> cultural creations, then I suppose that everyone should be attacked
> for using theirs,

If you read what I actually wrote, I think this is a creative use of the
word "attack."

In any event (full disclosure) I did invent an alphabet, a third of a
century ago, and did name it after myself—any other name would have
been totally arbitrary—and I freely accept any criticism that anyone
may choose to level against it. So feel free to "attack" me back, though
preferably not on this list, where it would be completely off-topic.

> but that isn't really a legitimate argument, or justification for
> anything, as I have the right to use my name, and people in democratic
> and/or tolerant societies don't usually lose that right before you, or
> anyone else, so I believe that the problem with UMMOA English is less
> strictly a linguistic problem, and more a problem of very different
> values, perhaps even a different value system, as my value system is
> not an imposed one, by some monarch, president, or New World Order,
> while the values of most peoples are nothing but imposed values,
> having thus no real scientific, philosophical, or ethical rationale of
> their own, since whether these values are right or wrong was never
> questioned to begin with (another word for that: dogma).

I think I understand your view of language as a tool for good or evil, a
means by which people can express and promote positive values or
negative ones. But this is not the aspect of language that IETF language
tags are designed to identify. They are, as I wrote previously, designed
to identify content in one language (or variety) or another, so that
people looking for content can find it, without finding content in
languages and varieties they aren't looking for.

If you, or other Ummoagians or Cesidians or anyone else, want to
identify and locate content that espouses the social, political, or
religious views that are important to you, you're probably not going to
filter it on the variety of English in which it is written. You're more
likely to take into account the author or source of the content. If I
want to read opinion articles that portray the current U.S.
administration in a favorable light, I'm probably more likely to look on
CNN than on Fox News. This has nothing, but nothing, to do with language

> Again, I will accept Michael Everson's decision, when I actually read
> it, but not capricious arguments that seem to place your values, or
> value system, somehow above my own.

You don't know my values, and they're not relevant to this discussion.

> Ultimately language is a reflection also of human values

But IETF language tags are not.

> Should the IESG (Internet Engineering Steering Group?), and/or Michael
> Everson see things differently, then I will simply continue to develop
> UMMOA English regardless, because current English forms are dinosaurs
> anyway (you don't have to believe what I say, but I know I am right,
> because the whole world, you see, is decaying/dying, and in many
> different ways). Current English forms are the work of aping simians,
> not the by-product of (rebellious) children of God.

I have nothing further, Your Honor.

Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, USA | @DougEwell

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