Montenegrin
Leif Halvard Silli
xn--mlform-iua at xn--mlform-iua.no
Wed Jun 16 23:00:57 CEST 2010
Doug Ewell, Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:16:37 -0700:
> Peter Constable <petercon at microsoft dot com> wrote:
>
>> Now, what happens in the IANA language subtag registry is, of course,
>> not bound only by what happens in ISO 639, but can also be driven by
>> decisions made on this list, within the constraints permitted by BCP
>> 47.
>
> But just so it's clear to Leif and Milos, one of the constraints of BCP
> 47 is that the "Scope: macrolanguage" designation in the Registry must
> follow ISO 639 strictly. We cannot add or remove this designation on
> the basis of whether we personally
Understood. "We - the IETF-languages - personally".
> feel that Serbo-Croatian is or is not
> a "macrolanguage," however we personally define that term.
This is exactly why I said that I and Milos perhaps understood
'macrolanguage' differently from Peter and John - I know that at least
Peter took part in coining the term. Having re-read the definition of
Macrolanguage and heard the input, I can see that it is possible to
agree with ISO's definition of 'sh' as a macrolanguage. I took up
whether 'sh' is a macrolangauge because iso639-3@ said they wanted
input on Montenengrin and because 'sh' was discussed in that context.
That said: The general problem perhaps more is that many tend to think
that 'macrolanguage' is a term firmly rooted in linguistic theory. For
example, the Serbo-Croatian article on Serbo-Croatian language says
that "modern linguists" look at Serbo-Croatian as a "living
macrolanguage". [1] And as basis for this claim, the article points to
SIL. [2]
Many Wikipedia articles on languages of course dutifully list languages
as "macrolanguage", but I find that if the term is _only_ a term that
is locked into ISO 639-3, [3] then, what use is it in listing it as a
macrolanguage outside the Language Subtag Registry and similar places?
What would be useful was an article that listed all macrolanguages and
explained why each of them was considered as such by ISO 639-3.
[1] http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srpskohrvatski_jezik#cite_ref-17
[2] http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=hbs
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639_macrolanguage
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