Reminder: Ulster Scots
cewcathar at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 2 22:15:55 CEST 2010
ejp10 ejp10 at psu.edu
Fri Apr 2 15:56:22 CEST 2010
> Well...I am with Peter and Randy in that I didn't interpret the "BZZZT" response as "levity" either, but rather as >dismissive. Randy's information may have been incorrect, but since he is a newcomer, I would have preferred to see a >more neutral approach in explaining why he was in error.
> FWIW - I serve on a "Ask a Linguist" panel and I do see some really outrageously ill-informed questions (sometimes the >same one several times a year). While I am often tempted to reply with "Do you have any idea how ass-backwards that >is?", > I have found that a non-sarcastic tone with detailed, non-technical explanations have made people realize exactly >why linguists think they way they do (and not just that they want to "ruin the English language").
> I would add that if the language tag process is too intimidating, people may be tempted to implement their own codes just > to avoid the registration process, and I am not sure that's a good development either.
> Peter Constable wrote:
>>> I couldn't have suggested a change to the proposal because I'm still trying to understand what relevant distinctions >>>need to be made. Randy raised very good questions, and your response to him was "BZZZZZT!" This is not how I think >>>this process should be managed.
>> Michael Everson wrote
>> Randy did not ask very good questions. Randy didn't read the documentation,
>> because Randy though that "the Hamely Tongue and the one under consideration"
>> were two different orthographies,
>> when they are not. And then he got all in a huff about it because I attempted levity to defuse
>> his error.
It was not just Randy.
I did not ask enough questions either;
quickly checking, I noted that the writing combined with the language/dialect
has been catalogued several times; see:
Catalogues of the written form include:
* T. F. O'Rahilly's [(1932) "Ulster Irish,"
* Fenton's "Hamely Tongue,"
* Macafee's "Concise Ulster Dictionary,"
* HGA Hughes' "Ulster-Scots: A Grammar of the Traditional Written and Spoken Language,"
* Philip Robinson (; along with Anne Smyth and Michael Montgomery)'s "The Academic Study of Ulster-Scots: Essays by and for Robert J Gregg."
Though differences as we move from one catalogue to the other may be trivial initially,
there may be some reasons for providing two subtags -- one for the dialect in general, one for the current orthography.
But I do support the current registration form.
(And hope Randy will be back.)
--C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar at hotmail.com
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