randy_presuhn at mindspring.com
Wed Sep 24 22:42:32 CEST 2008
> From: "Phillips, Addison" <addison at amazon.com>
> To: "David Starner" <prosfilaes at gmail.com>
> Cc: <ietf-languages at iana.org>; "John Cowan" <cowan at ccil.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:15 PM
> Subject: RE: Pinyin
> No. I think that's the point Randy is trying to make. A subtag that means,
> ambiguously, just 'pinyin' can have an implied additional meaning
> derived from surrounding subtags.
But in this particular case, we started out with a request for a narrowly
and precisely defined variant, namely the Hanyu Pinyin orthography of
Mandarin. The rest of this discussion has been about broadening
the variant's definition to cover more-or-less related orthographies and other
languages. I'm guessing that this was a result of a desire to get as
much mileage as possible from the mnemonicity of the subtag "-pinyin",
rather than any specific use cases.
> What is key here for me is whether this distinction is actually important
> for the requesters or others who would use the subtag. If, in practice, the
> only thing that matters is "it's in Latin script and it isn't Wade-Giles", then
> 'pinyin' does that just fine.
Only if that is what "-pinyin" is defined to mean. I have a hard time imagining
how such a semantic could be useful. If I cared enough about the material's
orthographies to segregate out the Wade-Giles, I'd also want to be able to
distinguish the Hanyu Pinyin from other forms. If anything, I'd find a choice
between "Hanyu Pinyin" and "Everything Else Latn" to be more useful.
But the request, as I recall, was *much* more precisely defined than simple
"Latin script and not Wade-Giles." It was for Hanyu Pinyin of Mandarin.
A large percentage of the traffic on this list seems to be a direct result
of folks reading too much into the mnemonic value of subtags. Perhaps
4646-bis should encourage only non-mnemonic registrations, to avoid
repeated waste of time. But that would be a discussion for ltru at ietf.org,
not here, and it's really too late to be opening up that kind of discussion
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