LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM (R3): pinyin

[Peter Constable]

Mark, Michael shouldn’t be making unilateral decisions; his is only one opinion. If the majority opinion is that “zh-Latn” is better, then that’s what he should approve.


Peter

From: mark.edward.davis at gmail.com [mailto:mark.edward.davis at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:52 AM
To: Tracey, Niall
Cc: Peter Constable; ietf-languages at iana.org
Subject: Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM (R3): pinyin

As I said, I have no objection at all to making the prefix be zh-Latn instead of just zh; I would prefer it. It is Michael Everson who wanted "zh" instead, so perhaps you should address him on this topic.

(For my part, I think it is more important to have the subtag registered -- and not have this drag out forever -- than for the subtag's Prefix to be perfect; in practice people will use Latn as a prefix anyway.)

Mark

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Tracey, Niall <niall.tracey at logica.com<mailto:niall.tracey at logica.com>> wrote:
We all know that new tags don't gain sudden acceptance overnight. It would be one thing if there was a suppress-script for subtags -- in that case systems could update themselves automatically. As it is, that script information is in the free-text fields and requires human intervention to insert into systems, so it's going to be a while coming. In legacy systems, it may never happen.

If we issue advice saying that the text should be tagged zh-Latn-wadegile, it will be rendered correctly by all properly-written software systems.

If we tell people that zh-wadegile is enough, more of them will tag text as such and systems will attempt to render it in Hanji.

Izh-Latn-wadegile is surely the only fault-tolerant (userproof?) option.
Shouldn't we build fault-tolerance in at every level?

Níall.

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From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no>] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: 03 September 2008 16:35
To: Peter Constable
Cc: ietf-languages at iana.org<mailto:ietf-languages at iana.org>

Subject: Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM (R3): pinyin

While I share that opinion, there were others that objected to it. And I can live with the required prefix being only zh; I think that reasonable implementations will also include Latn anyway.

Mark

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Peter Constable <petercon at microsoft.com<mailto:petercon at microsoft.com>> wrote:
From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no>] On Behalf Of Doug Ewell

> Here are the proposed new records and registration forms, for a two-week
> review period.  (Sorry, guys: RFC 4646, Section 3.7.)  Eligible to be
> added Wednesday, September 9 at 3:00 UTC, unless someone objects or
> finds a problem.
>
> ===
>
> LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION
...

> Prefix: zh

IMO this should be "zh-Latn".

More generally, it has always been my opinion that variant subtags denoting a particular written form should always be prefixed by a script subtag except when Suppress-Script applies.



Peter
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