Principles of Operation (was: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REQUEST FORM, Erzgebirgisch)

[Debbie Garside]

I have received some good information wrt Erzgebirgisch from a University
expert.  I will post here as soon as he gives me the OK to quote him.

best

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of
> Randy Presuhn
> Sent: 27 January 2008 07:21
> To: ietf-languages at iana.org
> Subject: Re: Principles of Operation (was: LANGUAGE SUBTAG
> REQUEST FORM,Erzgebirgisch)
>
> Hi -
>
> Have any linguists who actually speak German or any of the
> modern dialetcs argued for putting Erzgebirgisch under sxu?
>
> I poked around a bit, and haven't found anything that would
> seem at all persuasive for putting it under sxu.  On the
> contrary, there seems to be a clear pattern of looking at
> Erzgebirgisch as distinct from sxu, though sxu has had an
> influnce, rather than having a direct genetic relationship.
> (Wellentheorie rather than Stammbaumtheorie for you old
> linguists.)
>
> Though not exactly a scholarly resource, the web page at
> http://www.westerzgebirge.com/htm/erzgebirge-sprache.htm
> seems pretty clear that the speakers do not consider their
> tongue to be a variety of Upper Saxon:
>
> "Kennzeichnend für die westerzgebirgische Mundart ist ein
> ostfränkischer Einfluss, aber auch viele eigenständige Wörter.
> Im Osterzgebirge ist dagegen ein Übergang zum Obersächsischen
> hörbar."  Roughly: (A east franconian influence characterizes
> the western Erzgebirgisch dialect.  In contrast, in the
> eastern Erzgebirge a transition to upper saxon is audible.)
>
> Likewise the  Wikipedia source
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzgebirgisch says:
> "Aufgrund der hohen Mobilität der Bevölkerung und des damit
> verbundenen starken Kontakts zum Obersächsischen, der großen
> Abwanderungsrate und nicht zuletzt auch aufgrund seiner
> geringen Verständlichkeit gegenüber anderen Dialekten
> verringert sich die Sprecherzahl immer mehr."  Roughly:
> (Due to the high mobility of the populace and the consequent
> heavy contact with upper saxon, the high rate of emigration,
> and its low intelligibility in comparison to other dialects,
> the number of speakers is still decreasing.)
>
> Likewise
> http://www.uni-mannheim.de/mateo/verlag/dipl/lohmann/kap-04.html
> treats Erzgebirgisch as distinct from any kind of Sächsisch.
>
> >From this little bit of research, it looks to me like the
> case for using sxu as the prefix here is pretty weak.
>
> Randy
>
>
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