Language Tag Reviewer

Scott Hollenbeck sah at
Sun Feb 19 19:26:27 CET 2006


I'm not going to mince words: you are out of line.

I sent you a private message because the 3066bis document describes the role
and responsibilities of the language tag reviewer.  It is NOT the same as is
described in RFCs 1766 and 3066.  Give those changes, and the fact that the
IESG has been asked to confirm the appointment of a language tag reviewer,
Ted and I wanted to be sure that you are willing to continue in the role.
Read the document, please, before you make unfounded assumptions about
intent.  There is a time constraint, and we need to know what you're
interested in doing.

That's what this "crap" is all about.  To be honest, I'm not very happy
about the way you chose to respond.  I would have gladly explained the
situation if you had bothered to ask.

Since you responded the way you did, though, I'll ask here: are you willing
to continue in the role under the terms described in 3066bis?  The document
can be found here:

Look at section 3.2 in particular.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Everson [mailto:everson at] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:03 AM
> To: IETF Languages Discussion
> Cc: sah at; hardie at
> Subject: RE: Language Tag Reviewer
> Importance: High
> Scott,
> I have been working in Thailand and in Myanmar and have not 
> had good internet access.
> What is this crap? I mean it. I have put up with all sorts of 
> nonsense on the IETF languages list for YEARS, and I have 
> repeatedly had to BEG people to take off-topic materials 
> elsewhere. I have repeatedly made it clear that my interest 
> in language-tag reviewing is limited to LANGUAGE-TAG 
> REVIEWING. Who is now asking me to take an administrative 
> role in running the discussion list?
> Are you prepared to have me summarily ban people from the 
> list when they Waste Our Time?
> I didn't think so.
> Please outline the reasons why I should have to take on 
> additional responsibilities. Who is it in IESG that is making 
> decisions about this? Do you people care a damn about the 
> actual linguistic reasons we have language tags at all? Does 
> it seem reasonable in ANY WAY to you that I should leap up 
> with alacrity to take up administrative duties on this list, 
> when this is the FIRST TIME I have ever heard of it?
> "Sorry to be a pest"? Do you people care about content at 
> all? It doesn't appear so. You appear to care about your 
> rules and your 
> procedures more than the actual   matter at hand, which is linguistic 
> entities and tags for them.
> I am a busy man. I am an expert in my field and mostly I 
> guess people are happy with the work I have done with RFC 
> 1766 and RFC 3066. 
> Harald Alvestrand is perfectly well capable of moderating his 
> own list as he has done for lo these many years. I am 
> perfectly well capable of reviewing language-tags. Why should 
> I be saddled with additional responsibilities:? Will Harald 
> be taking on reviewing duties as well?
> If you want to sack me because I don't want more crap coming 
> into my in-box, you are welcome to sack me. But I will not 
> resign, and you will have to sack me under protest, and I 
> will probably make a stink about it. This is the height of idiocy.
> Note that I have taken your private e-mail and put it on the 
> discussion forum, because this is a matter that ought to be discussed.
> Yours,
> Michael Everson
> At 07:45 -0500 2006-02-18, Scott Hollenbeck wrote:
> >Sorry to be a pest, but there's some urgency to my request.  
> The IESG 
> >intends to take up this topic during our next telechat on 2 
> March.  If 
> >we don't hear from you before the deadline to add agenda 
> items (that's 
> >Thursday
> >23 February) we may have to consider other candidates.  
> Sooner would be 
> >better than later.
> >
> >-Scott-
> >
> >>  -----Original Message-----
> >>  From: Scott Hollenbeck [mailto:sah at]
> >>  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:40 AM
> >>  To: 'Michael Everson'
> >  > Cc: 'Ted Hardie'; sah at  > Subject: Language Tag 
> > Reviewer
> >>  Importance: High
> >>
> >>  Michael,
> >>
> >>  The IESG needs to confirm a language tag reviewer as  
> described in 
> >> the new language tag registry document:
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >>  Are you willing to continue in the language tag reviewer  role?  
> >> Note that mailing list moderation is also included as  one of the 
> >> duties of the appointed reviewer.  I suspect that  we can 
> deal with 
> >> that my adding you as a moderator so that  both you and Harald can 
> >> share the role.
> >>
> >  > -Scott-
> --
> Michael Everson *

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