Request for variant subtag fr 16th-c 17th-c

CE Whitehead cewcathar at
Tue Dec 12 20:01:07 CET 2006

We're not addressing a language that spans several centuries here; we are 
addressing a variant of a language where the language spans several 
centuries but the variant does not.
17th century is one specific century.

Eastern and Western cannot be easily placed on the map when the earth turns.

That is, it's hard to make clear on the map the point at which East becomes 
West (it's the international date line but that's completely arbitrary).

If you read my description of the language you will see, as I have now noted 
3 times, that 17th century French includes elements of 16th century French 
but has modernized a bit; and has incorporated many words from the Americas 
such as cannot.

16th century French is Middle French but with some spelling changes and the 
language has become more widespread.

Reject the tags if you wish; I will send the request again.

Do you speak French?  Parlez vous francais couramment?

Do you know much about the language and literature, have you studied it?  
Est-ce que vous connaissez la langue francaise et les lettres francaises un 
petit peu au moins?  Est-ce que vous les avez etudiees?

I've given you descriptions of French as it was spoken in these centuries in 
section 6 of my request for the tags (I've just submitted a new request; 
there is now information for 16th century French).
Je vous ai deja donne des renseignements sur les deux codes--veuillez voir 
s'il vous plait la partie 6 de ma demande.

I suggest you check it out carefully.

Thank you.

Je vous remercie de votre commentaire et j'attends donc votre reponse.

And vote as you wish; I am not a dictator.
I will do the same.

--C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar at

Be concise but courteous in emails is a good motto for the day.
cewcathar at
>From: Michael Everson <everson at>
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>Subject: Re: Request for variant subtag fr 16th-c 17th-c
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>At 16:49 +0000 2006-12-12, CE Whitehead wrote:
>>Hi.  I'm requesting the tag for French, and possibly for English and not 
>>for Old English or Esperanto if you look at the prefix (Old English was 
>>not spoken in the 16th century; that was Elizabethan English a variant of 
>>modern English that was spoken at the end of the 16th and 17th centuries; 
>>Shakespeare's plays supposedly 'standardized' the English language which 
>>was quite varied (Chaucer's dialect was just one of the many dialects 
>>spoken in the 13th-14th centuries, the period of Middle English.
>Of course I am aware of that.
>You have not addressed my concerns.
>I think 16thc and 17thc are generic as eastern and western are, and the 
>question about what to do with the other 19 centuries CE or any previous 
>centuries has not been addressed. The question of what to do when a 
>language form spans several centuries has not been addressed.
>>The way I see it we need tags to specify the period in which the language 
>>was spoken as language varies over time; 17th century works very nicely 
>>for 17th century French which can be treated together to some degree 
>>though there is still quite a bit of variation in the language then; 16th 
>>century is an alternative tag for 16th century French, which is accessible 
>>to modern French speakers but is really still Middle French (this tag 
>>allows 16th century French to be tagged as modern but identified as a 
>>variant so that 16th century French literature will come up in a search 
>>for literature in French without the seeker's having to ask for literature 
>>in a separate language, Middle French; maybe this second tag should be 
>>14thto16thc to include Middle French which did vary over time and get more 
>>modern which is why for the time being I just requested a 16th-c tag for 
>>this single century).
>But these tags could be applied to anything.
>My current view is that these proposed tags should be rejected.
>Michael Everson *
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