Debbie Garside md at
Thu Apr 20 18:05:42 CEST 2006

John wrote:

> Otherwise, no one source should be treated as an authority on 
> anything.

+ 1

One could go into lots of detail in relation to representative samples,
margin of error and confidence levels.  However, it might be just a tad off
topic for this list ;-)

Debbie Garside

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at] On Behalf Of John Cowan
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> To: Jon Hanna
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> Doug Ewell scripsit:
> > >You're correct; that's different from saying that you personally 
> > >advocated it.  I'm certainly one of those readers who sees 
> Wikipedia 
> > >as accurate much more often than not, and probably would have used 
> > >"roa" to tag such content if John Cowan had not steered me 
> away from it.
> To clarify: I suggested avoiding roa-{GG,JE} not because they 
> are or are not correct, but because I think using an ISO 
> 639-2 collective language code with a country code to 
> represent an individual language or dialect is a Bad Idea, 
> and not in accordance with 3066bis principles.
> Jon Hanna scripsit:
> > I think Wikipedia is a good starting point for research, 
> but useless 
> > when you want something authoritative (tbh, I think the 
> > autoritativeness of Encyclopedia Brittanica is often 
> overstated too).
> The study to which Debbie refers in a later message has been 
> widely debated; personally, I think the fact that it only 
> examined a few articles invalidates it on its face.
> In general, the concept of "authoritative source" makes 
> little sense to me, except in personal contexts (I'm an 
> authoritative source on what I had for dinner) and 
> performative ones ("US" is the ISO 3166 code for the United 
> States of America because 3166/MA says so and they are authoritative).
> Otherwise, no one source should be treated as an authority on 
> anything.
> -- 
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