[Ltru] Tagging of silent films

L.Gillam L.Gillam at surrey.ac.uk
Thu Sep 29 12:17:39 CEST 2005

An interesting discussion ......

If there is a silent movie in a different language, what does a lip reader do?
Would the audio identification be used to transform the lip movements in the
video stream? Certainly an interesting technology.

That aside, assuming a split of video and audio streams and a desire to analyse the
audio stream in isolation, what does one analyse in "silent English"? At this
level of tagging, I agree with Peter - "no linguistic content". "silent", for me,
feels like a description alongside "director" or "running time". 

> > Peter Constable wrote:
> > 
> >> So we could potentially have two versions of the same film -- one
> >> that is "Silent-audio/French-text" and one that is
> >> "Silent-audio/English-text.")
> > 
> > So, it seems to me that 'audio = "no linguistic content" / text =
> > "French"' and 'audio = "no linguistic content" / text = "English"
> > would be appropriate metadata for this scenario.
>    For a hearing person, maybe. But "not audible" is not the 
> same as "no
> content". If an actor is mouthing, the content is definitely there. As
> Karen pointed out, a lip reader may be able to pick it up just fine.
> Stretching your reasoning I could say that "audio=no 
> linguistic content"
> is appropriate metadata for a Chinese movie because I don't 
> understand a
> word of Chinese <g>.
>    In fact, I'd suggest something like
> "silent-English-audio/French-text", if only because it would help
> lipreaders in activating the appropriate "language module". You could
> even argue that the "silent" part is somewhat equivalent to the script
> subtag for written documents.
>    Luc Pardon
>    Belgium
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