referencing IDNA2008 (and IDNA2003?)

jean-michel bernier de portzamparc jmabdp at
Sun Oct 24 04:18:56 CEST 2010

JFC, Adam,

something Adam may easily understand: there are now two ways of reading all
the RFCs. One is IDNA2003 like (diversity is loosely handled inside the IETF
technology) and one is IDNA2008 (diversity is handled outside the IETF
technology in using it in a very strict IETF decided common way). These two
ways consider the _same_ internet (not a single bit being changed in the
code) in a very _different_ maner. If we used the same language it would
mean we would use the same terms in a rather idfferent or even opposite
manners. We would definitly not understand oneanother anymore.

Cheers !

2010/10/24 J-F C. Morfin <jfc at>

> At 05:22 23/10/2010, Adam Barth wrote:
>> I'm sad that you've invented your own language for describing things
>> that other folks call by other names.  That makes it difficult to
>> understand what you're saying.  However, it appears we are in
>> agreement.
>> Adam
> Dear Adam,
> do not be sad. I am happy we are in agreement.
> IDNA2008 has acknowledged an evolution of the world digital ecosystem
> network (WDEN) functions assumed by the Internet. We can compare this to the
> Copernican evolution, with the Newtonian revolution equivalent under way. It
> would certainly be strange if the vocabulary of the Ptolemeean side/period
> did fit all of our brave new world needs. It is better (and well  in the
> Internet way) to start using images before coining appropriate sophisticated
> terms.
> Never mind, as I underlined it, we will still have to bring the Internet
> up-to-date with the early XXth scientific paradigm. In a certain way p2p,
> cookies, etc. are just doing that: entering the world of the general
> relativity. This is why I say your work is important. The internet strata,
> over the telecom strata, is the content strata. Up to now the Internet deals
> mostly with static content (end to end). Cookies (memory stocking in the
> fringe) permit to some extent to deal with ambient content (a content
> related to some kind of location) as p2p may relate to diffuse content
> concepts. More generally the IUI, with OPES Smart Mines, or ONES or
> Interplus, permits to investigate active content (what you receive is what I
> wanted you to receive but I did not send) supported at fringe to fringe
> level.
> Once that stage proven, my current work to try to experiment it without
> creating a conceptual mess, the technology will start being able to support
> its next "end XXth/early XXIst" scientific paradigm and the Intersem
> (semiotic as in Kinect). The Internet of thoughts. Through semantic add-ons
> as a possibly the synergetic evolution of mathematic (the science of
> patterns and structure) and engineering. Until IDNA2008 it was difficult to
> forecast when this could practically happen and how. Because it was
> intellectually blocked by a too limited and conservative reading of RFCs.
> Since IDNA2008 (various current examples shows it) it is possible to say
> "it is now". Yet this will call an entire newly coordinated (networked)
> approach of the network concepts and notions (starting with a new network
> topology: centralized, decentralized, distributed, intricated). At least
> epistemologists and philosophers gave us a name for this endeavor:
> "diktyology", the science of networks. The internet is a very interesting,
> living, global diktyologic phase of the "bit-bang" we can all observe and
> influence (RFC 3935 states something like this: IETF is to influence those
> that design, use and manage the Internet so it works better). Time has come
> to consider what "better" may mean and how to achieve it.
> However, beware. Just as IAB felt necessary to correct my reference to
> "diversity" as if it only was a reference to "[linguistic] diversity", it
> would be better if you discussed "cookies" and not just "[http] cookies".
> Best
> jfc
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