ICANN News Alert -- Status Update: IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation
lisa.dusseault at gmail.com
Thu Sep 17 19:58:37 CEST 2009
I can confirm that as Area Director responsible for this working
group, I defer to the chair to describe the Working Group's current
status, and I don't have any insider information that would allow me
to make firm predictions about the completion of the remaining stages
in processing the Working Group documents.
I can also confirm what was replied elsewhere, that the IETF will not
be making requirements for the phasing-in of the current in-progress
IDNA proposals. Decisions on that topic are made elsewhere.
Tthe question asked about "completion of technical tasks" is a little
off-base with respect to how the IETF works. The Working Group
believes it has finished the core design, as evidenced by the Working
Group Last Call, and intent to submit the documents for IETF Last
Call, but there remain procedural tasks. The IETF Last Call will
illuminate the IETF Consensus around these documents, which may be the
closest thing to the requested information about whether the IETF is
"comfortable" with the documents. Finally, the IESG Approval and
eventual assignment of RFC numbers would be the closest steps to a
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> I think you may have a model of IETF that does not match reality. IETF is a
> bottom-up organization. It is very unlikely that you would get a full and
> comprehensive report about IDNA from the IETF or its governing body, the
> Internet Engineering Steering Group. Your question would almost certainly be
> referred to the Area Director for Applications who would like hand it back
> to me as chairman of the Working Group. I am not trying to avoid your
> question, only trying to provide what I believe to be a realistic assessment
> of the dynamics of the IETF.
> Vint Cerf
> On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
> Hello Tina,
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Tina Dam <tina.dam at icann.org> wrote:
>> Siva, if you are asking for a formal ietf response then this may not be as
>> simple to produce quickly. If you are ok with vint's reply below then this
>> would enable the members of this list to spend their time on getting to the
>> ietf last call.
> First, I am very thankful to Vint Cerf for his reply, but as he has
> indicated his reply does not constitute a comprehensive response.
> You are right in your observation that it may not be simple for IETF to
> produce a response quickly. Whether it is difficult to produce or takes time
> for IETF to produce it, a consolidated IETF report is essential. If we make
> a summary of the work done by IETF, it would be a summary riddled with
> inferences, whereas if it comes from the IETF it would be precise. Moreover
> I do not wish to make guesses about what IETF feels about the technical
> And, how would this exercise prevent members of this list from spending time
> on getting to the IETF last call? My questions are not in any manner
> intended to distract the list from their current pursuits.
>> If you need something more detailed for the korea meeting then I and
>> others can provide that in an idn update to the alac and at-large members.
> You have been very helpful, and your updates are informative. But this
> request to this list is more in the nature of a question to IETF about what
> the IETF feels about the technical preparedness as also questions succh as
> "Does IETF have any recommendation for 'technically-phasing' in IDN
> implementation?" for which the response can only come from the IETF.
> Tina, I wish to assure you that I am equally, if not more, passionate about
> IDN implementation as you are. At the same time I feel that it important to
> make sure that every thing is thoroughly considered.
>> From: idna-update-bounces at alvestrand.no
>> <idna-update-bounces at alvestrand.no>
>> To: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Harald Alvestrand <harald at alvestrand.no>; Patrik Fältström
>> <patrik at frobbit.se>; idna-update at alvestrand.no <idna-update at alvestrand.no>
>> Sent: Sun Sep 13 13:45:27 2009
>> Subject: Re: ICANN News Alert -- Status Update: IDN ccTLD Fast Track
>> Process Implementation
>> we are in final stages of the WG last call and hope to have the final
>> documents to the AD this week.
>> It is too early to tell how well these changes will be implemented and how
>> quickly they will spread.
>> The browser software vendors are already meeting, however, informally to
>> assess how to incorporate IDNA2008 while coping with IDNA2003 legacy domain
>> name registrations.
>> I know this is not a comprehensive response.
>> vint cerf
>> On Sep 13, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>> I wish to request a summary from IETF for the purpose of reporting to ALAC
>> and to the at-Large structures through the RALOs about the status of
>> completion of technical tasks related to IDN implementation. IETF has done
>> exhaustive work in this area and at-Large has been informed about the recent
>> internet drafts
>> At-Large structures comprise users who might require a non-technical
>> summary of technical progress covering answers to questions such as:
>> 1) Has IETF completed all technical tasks related to IDN implementation?
>> If there are any pending tasks, are these tasks expected to be completed in
>> time before the implementation begins and if there are to be any further
>> pending tasks, will be be safe to assume that such pending tasks are of a
>> non-critical nature?
>> 2) Is IETF 'comfortable' with the technical preparedness for IDN
>> implementation to begin immediately following the ICANN meeting at Seoul? In
>> other words, is there an "all-set" green signal from IETF?
>> 3) Though IDN TLDs are to be implemented in a phased manner, (fast-tracked
>> ccTLDs first, followed by the next wave of IDN ccTLDs /gTLDs) the
>> implementation might proceed to fully integrate IDN TLDs in the root.I would
>> call the 'fast-track first' sequence as 'adminsitrative-phasing' of IDN TLD
>> implementation. Does IETF have any recommendation for 'technically-phasing'
>> in IDN implementation? ( I would be glad to non-technically expand this
>> This communication is posted as a request for inputs.
>> Thank you.
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>> IDN Liaison - At Large Advisory Committee
>> Blog: http://isocmadras.blogspot.com
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>> 2009/9/10 Patrik Fältström <patrik at frobbit.se>
>>> On 10 sep 2009, at 04.07, Vint Cerf wrote:
>>>> what is the status of each of your documents in terms of absorbing
>>>> inputs from last call?
>>> You should see new version of -tables- today.
>>>> What issues do you need me, as chair, to provide guidance for, if any?
>>> None (I am pretty sure of...).
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