Request for clarifications (was: Re: Consensus Call Tranche 7 (BiDi Model))

[Martin Duerst]

Hello Vint, John, others,

I have tried to understand exactly what the points of this consensus
call are, but I have not been able to do so. I could dig deeper in
related material, but my guess is that others may have similar
questions. So here they go:

1. Are these questions about the Bidi document, or the Protocol
   document. What I find at P.4 at
   http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/idna-update/2008-August/002537.html
   seems to strongly suggest that this is only about what's in
   Protocol, i.e. essentially references to Bidi and usage of
   the Bidi constraints in the Protocol.

2. Is the idea of checking bidi constraints across label boundaries
   essentially dead? P.4 seems to suggest so, but

3. P.5 is just about lookup time. Judging from Patrick's contribution,
   it's completely unclear to what extent this tranche includes
   registration.

Any kind of clarification is appreciated. Thanks!

Regards,   Martin.

At 18:24 08/10/12, Vint Cerf wrote:
>Consensus Call Tranche 7 (BiDi Model)
>
>Place your reply here: [YES or NO]
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>COMMENTS:
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>Procedure:
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>There are several decisions that the working group will need to make to confirm consensus.  I will send a series of proposals over the next two weeks requesting YES or NO positions on each within a 4 day window. If NO is the response, a reason for that position needs to be stated. If there is a clear consensus based on responses or in the absence of a consensus against each proposal, it will be assumed that the proposal is acceptable to the Working Group.
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>Parenthesized symbols (e.g., "(R.1)") after the items are references to the issues lists where additional explanations can be found, as sent by John Klensin as body parts "idnabis-protocol-issues-rev3" and "idnabis-rationale-issues-03" on a message titled 'Issues lists and the "preprocessing" topic'  to the working group on 18 August (<http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/idna-update/2008-August/002537.html>http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/idna-update/2008-August/002537.html)
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>This group needs to get its documents out; it is behind its original schedule. It should be noted that the IDN ccTLD and gTLD selection initiatives at ICANN have already begun so that delay may weaken the IETF's ability to assist in a rational deployment of IDNA.
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>(7) The Bidi model
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>(7.a) Bidi tests are not made between labels in the protocol
>although warnings about possible presentation and others
>difficulties should appear in the Bidi discussion.  (P.4)
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>(7.b) Bidi tests SHOULD be applied at lookup time (not MUST).
>(P.5)
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#-#-#  Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
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