IAB/IESG retreat, October 17 & 18, 2002

Overview

The IETF is in need of change. There are a number of issues that have been raised by the community, and there are parts of the IETF procedures where our practice departs quite far from the theory envisioned in our documented procedures. At times, we worry that the standards we are producing for the Internet are not the right standards - either suffering from low quality, late delivery or irrelevance to the problems that our users see.

In order to achieve change, it is essential that the IAB and the IESG, being the IETF leadership, work well together.

The purpose of the retreat is to give the IAB and IESG members the opportunity to learn how to work together more effectively (in our respective roles) and work on some of the issues facing the community. We are geeks. We learn by doing. Let us do.

We shall proceed by focussing on a small set of topics, and find small cross-IAB/IESG groups to put together the preparatory work in advance.

Agenda

Thursday, October 17, 2002

08h30 Breakfast (IAB; IESG is in its bi-weekly meeting)

09h30 Meeting opening

Agenda bash

09h45 Technical topic: Referential Integrity
[Fred & Patrik]

12h00 Lunch

13h00 Technical topic: Internet Telephony -- what are our desired outcomes for Internet telephony standardization?
[Allison & James]

15h00 Afternoon break

15h30 How do we make sure we work on the right problems?
[Ted & Randy]

Specific focus items:

• bof/pre-WG review -- are we getting the right things into the IETF, or is there pain to be reduced?
• requirements documents: successes & failures in the IETF context
• architectural insight - are we getting the right clues into the IETF process at the right time?

17h00 End of formal agenda for the day

18h00 Dinner

20h00 After dinner in the lounge

Friday, October 18, 2002

08h00 Breakfast

09h00 How do we make sure the result is right?
[Thomas & Sally]

Specific focus items:

• cross-community review of ideas with large impact: Do we catch on in time that things are happening? Does anyone read Last Calls anyway?
• architectural insight - are we getting the right clues into the IETF process at the right time? Is the IAB helping do that? Can it do better

12h00 Lunch

13h00 Stand facing the future: if fundamental consideration and possible change to the way the IETF works is needed, how should we proceed on starting this consideration?
[Geoff & Bill]

15h00 Afternoon break

15h30 Pulling together conclusions and thoughts to move forward
[Leslie & Harald]

17h00 End of formal agenda for the day

18h00 Dinner for those still around