IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission

[graham.travers at bt.com]

Harald & Michael,

It's *getting* worse !  

A few years ago one operator was prepared to fund about 20 individuals to participate in the IETF;  now that's reduced to about 5, with no guarantee that such a level will be sustained.

This is not just about the downturn in the industry.  Real problems that operators have are not being addressed by the IETF.  If the IETF won't address my concerns, and if I have to go to the OMA to meet my requirements for application protocols, for example, that's where I'll go.

You may say "That's fine".  OK, if that's the policy.  But, then, don't be surprised if it happens !


	Regards,

	Graham Travers

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	BT Exact

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-----Original Message-----
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [mailto:harald at alvestrand.no]
Sent: 15 October 2003 08:35
To: Michael Richardson
Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
Subject: Re: IESG proposed statement on the IETF mission 


It is a bad thing.
But we saw in Vienna that the exodus is far from complete yet. So it could 
be worse....

--On 14. oktober 2003 21:37 -0300 Michael Richardson 
<mcr at sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> wrote:

>
>>>>>> "Harald" == Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald at alvestrand.no> writes:
>     Harald> sort out which standards were actually needed.  As the field
> has     Harald> grown explosively, specialization has set in, and market
> pressures     Harald> have risen, there has been less and less operator
> participation in     Harald> the IETF.
>
>   I'm unclear if this documents thinks this is a good thing or a bad
> thing.   I think that it is a bad thing.
>
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