comments: - Re: WG last call - process document
aconta at txc.com
Tue Nov 18 23:46:49 CET 2003
Here are a few comments regarding "draft-ietf-problem-process-03.txt"
document. The comments are related to the comments submitted for the
"problem description" document. Comments are marked "minor" and "major".
Section 4.6 "Decomposition of the Management Scaling Problem"
mentions the possible negative effect of a small pool of people from
where IESG and IAB memebers are elected. However it does not mention the
same negative effect in case of too few people taking WG chairmanship,
or having one person chairing for too long a WG. If it is a problem at
AD level, it is also a problem at the lower level as well. Possible fix
is virtual, or by statute, term limits.
The same section (4.6) is addressing the procedural blockage caused by
ADs, but it is not addressing the procedural blockage problems caused by
impartial WG chairs. It should.
In discussing solutions, the same section (4.6) mentions the I-D
tracker, but as a tool, this is just a beginning, by far not sufficient
in resolving the process management tools shortage. While a lot more can
be done in terms of automating the process and the using of tools, there
is a lot to do, as well, in timely reaching the people that are
interested in the moving forward of a document: the authors should be
notified about the progress of a draft - this should be done
automatically by the tools, at each step that a draft takes in IESG.
Furthemore, section 4.6, has the suggestion of delegating more work to
the WG chairs. This is problematic from start. First, because the WH
chairs are not democratically elected. Second, because the IETF rules do
not stop them from vesting interest in work performed in the WG - WG
chairs may be authors or co-authors of drafts in the WG, which may cause
them favor drafts that do not challenge or are aligned with their own
This section (4.6) should address also the perception that the WG chair
selection is not an open process, or not as open as it should be. WG
members have in general no saying in chair selecting, or in making a
choice between several candidates.
Section 4.7 "Decomposition of the Working Group Practices Problem"
does not list the problem caused by the vested interest of WG chairs
in promoting or favoring a certain direction in the WG. (this problem
was mentioned also above in the context of section 4.6).
This happens often when a chair or the chairs of a WG are directly
involved in writing drafts for that WG. In some WGs, the chairs are
authors or co-authors of a large number of drafts or RFCs; in such
cases, it is likely that they will favor work or drafts that are not
challenging, or are in alignment with their documents.
In many Standards Development Organizations, for limiting the cause of
such impartiality, a WG chair's role excludes participation or
authorship of drafts, and it is rather limited to moderating the WG
meetings, and driving the WG process along, according to the
organization's rules. Perhaps this is a rule that IETF should adopt.
Melinda Shore wrote:
> This is to announce the start of working group last call for
> "IETF Problem Resolution Process"
> Last call closes on Monday, 1 December 2003. Please send any
> comments to the mailing list before last call closes.
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