The "late surprise" problem

[Brian E Carpenter]

Thanks for this and all the other comments. I guess Dave and I will
come up with a modified proposal as a result. Give us a little time.

In answer to Spencer's point, I think of the SIR layer as more of
a cloud than a layer... I don't think it is really a management 
layer. But this needs to be expressed carefully in the next
version.

   Brian

Spencer Dawkins wrote:
> 
> Later Friday afternoon, Margaret made a helpful distinction to
> me - some proposals add process layers vertically, while others
> add process layers horizontally. If I understood Brian's
> proposal, it adds a layer vertically, so think in terms of the
> advantages and disadvantages of "adding a layer of management".
> 
> Is there a way to add a SIR layer horizontally in Brian's
> proposal? Is this what Raj's "workgroup empowerment" proposal
> accomplishes?
> 
> Spencer
> 
> --- Basavaraj.Patil at nokia.com wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > The proposal outlined is definitely an effective way of
> > ensuring
> > that documents get reviewed. However some concerns:
> >
> [deleted down to ]
> > 2. Creating yet another "class" of people in the IETF -
> > against
> >    the perception of an open SDO
> [deleted down to ]
> >
> > A suggestion to the proposal:
> > Instead of having an IETF wide SIR group, WGs should be more
> > empowered
> > to do this. WG chairs should set up review groups for each
> > document that
> > exists in their area. This review group should be open and
> > anyone should
> > be able to add their name as a volunteer as long as they are
> > willing to
> > commit some time. Having this list of names associated with
> > each WG document
> > on the WG charter page would be reward enough and WG chairs
> > should be
> > responsible for ensuring that at least these reviewers do
> > their job.
> > I think this decentralization would allow more people to be
> > involved in
> > the IETF work and prevent "ruling class" perception.
> 
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