<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>My problem with this is that, for purposes of identifying a given Spanglish text, it</div><div><br></div><div>(a) may not be feasible to determine, and</div><div><br></div><div>(b) probably is not relevant</div><div><br></div><div>which is the matrix language and which is embedded. Thus we require the tag consumer to care about a distinction that he would not otherwise care about.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">--<div>Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org</div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Avram Lyon <ajlyon@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 1/5/17 14:25 (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: lucp@skopos.be, Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org>, ietf-languages <ietf-languages@iana.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: Record for Spanglish variant </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">> I seem to recall a proposal that, below the "official" part, had a </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">casual comment to the effect that it is left to the judgment of the </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">tagger whether to use the "en" or "es" prefix, depending on the </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">"dominant" language.</span><br></div><div><br></div>When I was doing linguistics work, the relevant term was the matrix language ("dominant") and the "embedded" language (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching#Matrix_language-frame_model">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching#Matrix_language-frame_model</a>, but also in the literature). In the case of tagging, I believe we are recommending that the prefix be the matrix language of the material being tagged.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:15 PM Luc Pardon <<a href="mailto:lucp@skopos.be">lucp@skopos.be</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I seem to recall a proposal that, below the "official" part, had a<br class="gmail_msg">
casual comment to the effect that it is left to the judgment of the<br class="gmail_msg">
tagger whether to use the "en" or "es" prefix, depending on the<br class="gmail_msg">
"dominant" language.<br class="gmail_msg">
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I think that remark is important enough to make it into the repository,<br class="gmail_msg">
as a guideline to users of this tag.<br class="gmail_msg">
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On 04-01-17 21:09, Doug Ewell wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
> Here is the record for Michael's proposed 'spanglis' variant.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> I'm posting this as Co-Designated Expert, or what John Cowan would call<br class="gmail_msg">
> "Official Doug," not necessarily as a proponent of the subtag. My<br class="gmail_msg">
> personal opinion is that we need more time to evaluate the best solution<br class="gmail_msg">
> to this problem before anything is registered, either here or in CLDR.<br class="gmail_msg">
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> LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION<br class="gmail_msg">
> File-Date: 2017-xx-xx<br class="gmail_msg">
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> Type: variant<br class="gmail_msg">
> Subtag: spanglis<br class="gmail_msg">
> Description: Spanglish<br class="gmail_msg">
> Prefix: en<br class="gmail_msg">
> Prefix: es<br class="gmail_msg">
> Comments: Name given to a variety of contact dialects of English and<br class="gmail_msg">
> Spanish<br class="gmail_msg">
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