<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif">I like this approach, for the reason you mention.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="'times new roman', serif"><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><div></div></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px">Mark</div></font><div><div><font face="'times new roman', serif"><i><span style="font-style:normal"><i></i></span><i></i></i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Kent Karlsson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kent.karlsson14@telia.com" target="_blank">kent.karlsson14@telia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</span></font></blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt">Den 2015-11-25 21:01, skrev "Doug Ewell" <<a href="http://doug@ewellic.org" target="_blank">doug@ewellic.org</a>>:<br>
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> Shawn Steele wrote:<br>
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> and Mark Davis wrote:<br>
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>> I disagree with "basiceng". What people need is a variant to indicate<br>
>> a simplified version of a language. That is not satisfied by <br>
>> "Basic English", which nobody has a demonstrated need for.<br>
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> "Basic Foo" and "Simple Foo" are not the same thing, <br>
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Perhaps...<span class=""><br>
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> and without <br>
> being able to read his mind, I suspect one reason Michael proposed both <br>
> might be to draw attention to that fact.<br>
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Like confusing everyone that does not have English as native language,<br>
or have never heard of **Ogden's** Basic English before...<br>
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I'm indifferent as to whether one should add a variant subtag for "Ogden Basic<br>
English", but if added, the subtag must *not* be "basiceng", as that would<br>
certainly be interpreted as some/any kind of "simplified English". "ogden",<br>
"ogdeneng" would be fine.<br>
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Ok, I've mentioned it before, but here it is again:<br>
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I generally agree with Shawn and Mark here.<br>
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BUT, I would prefer a scheme based on CEFR<br>
(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages#Common_reference_levels" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages#Common_reference_levels</a>,<br>
<a href="http://www.coe.int/t/dg4/linguistic/Source/Framework_EN.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.coe.int/t/dg4/linguistic/Source/Framework_EN.pdf</a>).<br>
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The A levels are, however, so basic that it is hard to give any new information<br>
(like in a Wikipedia article or a news article/podcast/etc). So for the purpose<br>
of "simplified language tagging" the A levels could be skipped (IMO).<br>
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The C2 level, IIUC, isn't quite like "advanced native speaker", but close.<br>
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So, instead of "-simple" or "-basic", something along the lines of:<br>
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-levelB1<br>
-levelB2<br>
-levelC1<br>
-levelC2<br>
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(referring to the CEFR levels) would be my preference. No prefixes listed, i.e.<br>
these variant subtags should be recommendably applicable to any language.<br>
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Thus nobody (or 'no body') "controlling" the simplification, no particular dictionary<br>
or similar, as that would defy applicability to most languages.<br>
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True, the descriptions of the levels may be a bit hand-waving, but that is the<br>
very thing that makes them applicable to any language.<br>
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As always, it is the tagger's responsibility to see to that "level" tag sufficiently well<br>
corresponds to the CEFR level of the content (for a reader/listener interested in the<br>
subject of the content).<br>
<br>
There are other schemes<br>
(see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages#General_scales" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages#General_scales</a>),<br>
but they seem much harder to use (just for the level naming alone).<br>
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/Kent K<br>
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