<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif">> <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">pt-ao1990-PT</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif">Syntactically that is impossible for language tags. The ordering must be as specified in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47#section-2.1">https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47#section-2.1</a>. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"> langtag = language</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"> ["-" script]</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"> ["-" region]</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"> *("-" variant)</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"> *("-" extension)</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"> ["-" privateuse]</font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif">That is, it would have to be pt-PT-ao1990. Moreover, there is no chance <i>whatsoever</i> that that would ever change; it is far too embedded in the world's software.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif">> <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">need to specify some generally specified departure from 'ideal' (standard)</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style><font face="times new roman, serif">Of course, internally to a particular domain, you could use your own protocol for something like BCP47 tags. For external communication, you would have to translate to and from regular BCP47 language tags at the domain boundaries, of course.</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font face="'times new roman', serif"><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><div></div></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><a href="https://google.com/+MarkDavis" target="_blank">Mark</a></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><i><br></i></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><i>— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —</i></div></font><div><div><font face="'times new roman', serif"><i><span style="font-style:normal"><i></i></span><i></i></i></font></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Yury <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yury.tarasievich@gmail.com" target="_blank">yury.tarasievich@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Doug, spoken like a gentleman. Thank you.<br>
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And yes, we are not in a Henry Higgins world here, and every model (language tag is, after all, a model of a real world phenomenon) necessary loses precision.<br>
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And I'm not moving for _wholesale_ throwing out the good old ll_RR model, as it still has its uses, and also, because informatics is such a traditionalist field.<br>
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Now, for your question (I'm not quoting anything else of your elaborate text -- for the sake of in-list legibility):<span class=""><br>
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> Does all of this make sense? Any of it?<br>
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All of the items 1-5 make sense, I have no quarrel with 1-3 and 5, and _my_ contention is only with the proposed practical solution outlined in pt.4.<br>
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The reason is: ll_RR- and -standard are, in a sense, mutually contradicting, _at least linguistically_. That is, those are usus (coarsely, real-world departing from ideal) and artifact (ruleset, book, paper). You can't particularise first from left to right, than right to left, that is confusing.<br>
(And the thing grates on my nerves, too.)<br>
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On the other hand, I agree there might be a need to specify some generally specified departure from 'ideal' (standard). Why not do it properly (in the sense of building sense hierarchies):<br>
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ll-variant-RR, e.g., pt-ao1990-PT --<br>
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-- 1) language (the most general formalisation)<br>
-- 2) state of the pt.1 formalisation<br>
-- 3) real-world diff from pt.2<br>
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Now you have a (fairly) well readable (left to right) scheme, which captures all three phenomena and puts them into a proper perspective.<br>
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This way, you may particularise even further, in the form<br>
ll-variant-RR-observation, which would refer to the specific set of observation data on the departure from standard.<br>
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Which is all in spirit of rfc5646, I believe. I'm only not sure of the four part scheme itself; I didn't study it. The respective ABNF spec _seems_ to allow it.<br>
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(Coming from East European background, I may have a perspective on this which many of this list English-world active participants do not share or fancy, even.)<br>
So all of this might be against the lore, of course. Is it?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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-Yury</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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