<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif">Sounds like there is rough consensus on deprecating all of them, which is the most important step.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif">Secondarily, it sounds like everything but i-default and 'enochian' could have reasonable Preferred Values (if there is a single one) or an addition to the Description (for multiple ones). Here's a collected proposal, with my reasoning for the two special cases following.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" dir="ltr" border="1" style="table-layout:fixed;font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans,sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)"><colgroup><col width="72"><col width="77"><col width="379"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height:21px"><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;font-weight:bold">Tag</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;font-size:100%;font-weight:bold">Deprecated</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;font-size:100%;font-weight:bold">Preferred-Value Or Description</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">en-GB-oed</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">yyyy-mm-dd</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">en-oxford</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">i-default</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">yyyy-mm-dd</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">en-idefault</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">i-enochian</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">yyyy-mm-dd</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">art-enochian</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">i-mingo</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">yyyy-mm-dd</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">see-mingo</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">cel-gaulish</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">yyyy-mm-dd</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">see xtg, xcg, xlp, xga</td></tr><tr style="height:21px"><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">zh-min</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom;text-align:right">7/29/2009</td><td style="padding:2px 3px;vertical-align:bottom">see nan, mnp, cdo, czo, cpx</td></tr></tbody></table></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><b>i-default: </b>I looked more into this following the RFCs. It is a very screwy concept (IMO), and I don't know of any significant implementation that uses it, but I think the key phrase is:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'times new roman',serif"><div><pre class="" style="font-size:1em;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Messages in Default Language MUST be understandable by an English-speaking person</pre></div><div><br></div><div>Given that, I think the best approach would be to define a variant tag so that we can form en-idefault</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, existing implementations that use "i-default" can continue to use "i-default"; it is deprecated, not removed. But everyone who wants to change to a syntactically regular format, can then do so.</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default"><b>enochian: </b>I wouldn't be in favor of a registered language tag for enochian, simply because it is not important enough to start allocating them for it. I'd suggest adding "art-enochian" just to get the ball rolling, and requesting a new 3 letter tag for it. If and when the 3 letter code arrives, we can deprecated i-enochian and the variant subtag enochian in favor of it.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font face="'times new roman', serif"><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><div></div></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><a href="https://google.com/+MarkDavis" target="_blank">Mark</a></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><i><br></i></div><div style="background-color:transparent;margin-top:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-right:0px"><i>— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —</i></div></font><div><div><font face="'times new roman', serif"><i><span style="font-style:normal"><i></i></span><i></i></i></font></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 4:47 AM, John Cowan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org" target="_blank">cowan@mercury.ccil.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Kent Karlsson scripsit:<br>
<span class=""><br>
> According to Wikipedia, the Gaulish languages are (or rather were):<br>
> xtg – Transalpine Gaulish<br>
> xcg – Cisalpine Gaulish<br>
> xlp – Lepontic<br>
> xga – Galatian<br>
<br>
</span>It's a bit more dcomplex than that. Lepontic is probably the sister<br>
language to the Gaulish group, and whether Noric and Galatian are<br>
Gaulish proper or just closely related is a question. Celtiberian<br>
is further away. But nobody knows whether these languages form<br>
a proper clade with respect to the insular Celtic languages or not.<br>
<br>
I would deprecate this tag and *not* refer to any other tags. People<br>
who are likely to tag things with Gaulish probably know more about it<br>
than any of us on this list (unless indeed we have a Gaulish scholar<br>
lurking, in which case, speak up!)<br>
<span class=""><br>
> So I think a comment like:<br>
> "Comment: See: nan for Min Nan, mnp for Min Bei, cdo for Min Dong,<br>
> czo for Min Zhong, cpx for Pu-Xian."<br>
> would be appropriate for this registry entry, while deprecating this<br>
> tag.<br>
<br>
</span>I agree, but using the standard comment form "see nan, mnp, cdo, czo, cpx".<br>
<span class=""><br>
> According to Wikipedia, Mingo is a dialect of Seneca<br>
<br>
</span>That may not be entirely true either, but there is at least<br>
one first-hand report that they are mutually intelligible: see<br>
<<a href="http://www.mingolanguage.org/texts/tom/20c_mingo.html" target="_blank">http://www.mingolanguage.org/texts/tom/20c_mingo.html</a>>. So I'd say:<br>
let's register mingo as a variety subtag and deprecate i-mingo in favor<br>
of see-mingo.<br>
<br>
Doug Ewell scripsit:<br>
<span class=""><br>
> If Michael is fine with 'oxford', I won't argue. I thought it was a<br>
> conscious decision that 'oxford' might misleadingly imply the city<br>
> rather than the dictionary.<br>
<br>
</span>True, but I think we can let that go now.<br>
<br>
Finally, i-default *must* be left alone: it is unique and has a particular<br>
use, and is not the same as und.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
John Cowan <a href="http://www.ccil.org/~cowan" target="_blank">http://www.ccil.org/~cowan</a> <a href="mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a><br>
I am he that buries his friends alive and drowns them and draws them<br>
alive again from the water. I came from the end of a bag, but no bag<br>
went over me. I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am<br>
Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider. --Bilbo to Smaug<br>
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