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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Maintenance of the code tables for ISO 639-3, including addition of entries, does not involve ISO national body voting processes. That
would not be a particularly effective or efficient way to maintain the code tables.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This particular case, though, has a particular story involving national body votes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The initial working draft code tables for ISO 639-3 were derived in large part from the 15<sup>th</sup> edition of Ethnologue, which
included an entry for “Dalecarlian”. See here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="http://archive.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=DLC">http://archive.ethnologue.com/14/show_language.asp?code=DLC</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So, the initial drafts of ISO 639-3 did include this.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Now, in the ISO voting process on ISO 639-3, there were very few national bodies that requested changes in the code tables. One of
the very few national body comments, however, came from Sweden. Here is the relevant information from the enquiry ballot disposition of comments:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">General comments:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We disapprove for for [sic] the following technical reason:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We do not find the practice of treating dialects as distinct languages in this draft acceptable. As an<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">example we can name three Swedish dialects: Dalecarlian, Jamtska and Scanian which are treated<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">as languages in the draft. We suggest that the distinction between languages and dialects should<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">be brought out more fully in the draft. We also propose to leave out the codes for the above<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">dialects from the list of Alpha-3 codes. Acceptance of the specified modifications will change our<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">vote to approval.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Disposition: accepted<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The current draft discusses dialects in 4.2.3. In that section, it observes that the intent is not to<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">include entries for dialects in part 3, but also that different users may have different perceptions<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">about what distinctions are considered dialect versus language distinctions. It also observes the<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">various senses of the English lexeme “dialect”, which for some English speakers means a substandard<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">variety. It is not clear what further explanation is desired. The intent of the comment<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">appears to be focused on the inclusion of Dalecarlian, Jamtska and Scanian rather than the text<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">per se.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is accepted that Dalecarlian, Jamtska and Scanian will be removed from the draft code table.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The re-introduction of these or other entries can be considered by the ISO 639-RA/JAC in the<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">course of on-going maintenance.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Note:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">On the basis of this disposition, Sweden changes their vote to Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Ietf-languages [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mats Blakstad<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 17, 2014 2:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ietf-languages@alvestrand.no<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: request for subtag for Elfdalian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you explain briefly the process of making new ISO639-3 codes? Who makes the decisions? Can a language get the ISO639-3 code without the aproval of the government in their country?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2014-11-17 22:23 GMT+01:00 Registrar ISO639-3 <<a href="mailto:iso639-3@sil.org" target="_blank">iso639-3@sil.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear IETF community,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I have not received any request to create a code for Elfdalian. Because of the history of ISO 639-3, many dialect vs. language decisions were not settled prior to the codeset being established. When there is
a lot of disagreement among local linguists, the situation remains as is, rather than having codes created.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am glad that Mr. Blakstad has made this request, which will help to provide a way to identify Elfdalian.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Melinda Lyons<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ISO 639-3 RA<o:p></o:p></p>
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