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<pre>Hi, once more. I've so far only looked at Nepali; will try to look at Oriya too. (Sorry you had to ask this twice).<br></pre>
Doug Ewell
<a href="mailto:ietf-languages%40alvestrand.no?Subject=Re%3A%20Review%20period%3B%20Nepali%20and%20Oriya&In-Reply-To=%3C89DAE54A4A1A4FF9AD7E89E56FFB91AD%40DougEwell%3E" title="Review period; Nepali and Oriya">doug at ewellic.org
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Sat Aug 4 05:04:17 CEST 2012
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<pre>> There's one week left in the review period for the 180 registration
> requests I submitted last week for changes driven by ISO 639-3. This
> period can be extended if necessary, but judging by the number of
> responses so far (0) this seems unlikely.
> Last week I wrote:
>><i> Although ISO 639-3 has converted the existing code elements for Nepali
</i>>><i> and Oriya into macrolanguages, and added new code elements for Nepali
</i>><i>> proper and Oriya proper (and the other two encompassed languages), no
</i>><i>> proposals are presented here to add Nepali and Oriya to the list of
</i>><i>> macrolanguages whose encompassed languages get extlang subtags
</i>><i>> (currently 8, epitomized by Chinese and Arabic). This can be discussed
</i>><i>> on the list, and proposals added, if desired. As a note, two years ago
</i>><i> we did this for Latvian, and the resulting discussion carried on for
</i>><i>> months.
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> I'm not arguing for or against putting Nepali and Oriya into the extlang
> category, but I do want to call attention to the fact that this can ONLY
> be done now, at the time the encompassed languages are registered. They
> cannot be registered as extlangs later. (So says Section 3.3, item
> 12.C.4.)
This is a case then for registering them. However, according to the information at the change request for Nepali,<br>"http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/cr_files/2011-158.pdf<br><br>"1) Intelligibility: Dotyali people in the villages (uneducated) do not inherently understand<br>Nepali [nep], it is only through education or extensive contact that Nepali becomes<br>understood (acquired intelligibility only). Nepali speakers do not understand Dotyali.<br>"2) Identity: There is a strong feeling of separate linguistic identity from that of Nepali . . . "<br>is supported by the other points of this argument). For the past two decades, Dotyali<br>speakers have identified their language separately from Nepali in the population census of<br>Nepal (in both the 1991 and 2001 census, and certain to show up in the 2011 census<br>results - prior to 1991, the census did not ask about mother tongue). Prior to the 2011<br>census, there was a Dotyali campaign for all Dotyali speakers to identify their language as<br>Dotyali."<br>"3) History: There is a history of Dotyali language since they had their own kingdom prior to<br>the unification of Nepal in the 18th century A.D. They have historical inscriptions dating<br>back to the 14th century A.D."<br>"4) Literature: There is a separate literature (and other language-based development) in<br>Dotyali: literary magazines, novels, stories, poems, dictionary, grammar, songs, folk<br>literature, folklore, FM radio station, separate programmes on a Nepali radio station,<br>Dotyali-language news from the regional station of Radio Nepal, and consistent use Dotyali<br>in public meetings and political gatherings."<br><br>"Nepali [nep] is a major language with a significant body of literature and research. But<br>Dotyali speakers consider reading Nepali as reading a second language (which it is). The<br>common characteristics between Nepali and Dotyali are a shared script (Devanagari) and<br>some shared vocabulary (as is true between all Indo-Aryan languages). They are both in<br>the same branch of the Indo-Aryan language family (the Pahadi group of the Indo-Aryan)."<br><br>Based on this information, unless we find anything counter to this, then perhaps the languages Nepali [npi] and Dotyali[dpy] should not be registered as extension languages for the macrolanguage [nep].<br>But I have not other information.<br>Just wanted to share this link quickly with those who had not located it.<br><br>Best,<br><br>--C. E. Whitehead<br>cewcathar@hotmail.com <br>> --
> Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA
<a href="http://www.ewellic.org/">> http://www.ewellic.org</a> | @DougEwell
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