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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">João,<br>
<br>
1) About the 1931 agreement:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";" lang="EN-US"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">a) It was not fully implemented, since Academia das
Ciências did not accept the deletion of mute consonantal letters </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";" lang="EN-US"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">this is the agreement (7 paragraphs)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";" lang="EN-US"><a href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/05/12000.pdf"><br></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><a href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/05/12000.pdf">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/05/12000.pdf</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";" lang="EN-US"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">this is the agreement without the first paragraph</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";" lang="EN-US"><a href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/06/12600.pdf"><span style="" lang="DE"><br></span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><a href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/06/12600.pdf"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE" lang="DE">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/06/12600.pdf</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="DE"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";" lang="EN-US"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">b) In Brazil, the enforcement had ups and downs, I
will spare you the details, you can read the full story here (see page 1) http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1945/12/27300.pdf</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";" lang="EN-US"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">c) The 1931 changes were minor changes and, in my
opinion, they do not deserve a subtag such as 1911, 1945 and 1990 do. </span></p>
<pre style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-ansi-language:
EN-US" lang="EN-US">2 – Be careful! The “official vocabulary in </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><a href="http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/" target="_blank"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">” is misleading and ambiguous. <br>There are several examples. I won’t make them public, since I would be helping people who do not do their homework (the people in ILTEC in charge of the vocabulary), and I only give credit to those who study and do their homework. <br>I can only assure you that they deleted too many consonants...</span></pre><pre style="text-align:justify;text-justify:
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mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><br>Cheers,</span></pre><br><br><b>Francisco Miguel Valada</b><br><br><font style="" color="#1f497d"></font><br><font style="" color="#17365d">+32479855056</font><font style="" color="#17365d"><br></font><font style="" color="#17365d">fmvalada@hotmail.com</font><br><br><br><div>> From: ietf-languages-request@alvestrand.no<br>> Subject: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 104, Issue 3<br>> To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no<br>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:03:18 +0200<br>> <br>> Send Ietf-languages mailing list submissions to<br>> ietf-languages@alvestrand.no<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> ietf-languages-request@alvestrand.no<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> ietf-languages-owner@alvestrand.no<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of Ietf-languages digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28 (Philip Newton)<br>> 2. Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28 (Jo?o Miguel Neves)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:39:32 +0200<br>> From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com><br>> To: Francisco Miguel Valada <fmvalada@hotmail.com><br>> Cc: ietf-languages@iana.org<br>> Subject: Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CA+cwSm_RDeP9t-HC8WNojHWfg2AirKL+XvdP4bF4-VTkC9SC2A@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> <br>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 13:56, Francisco Miguel Valada<br>> <fmvalada@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > Ant?nio Emiliano asked me to check the subtags, links and references.<br>> ><br>> > And we drafted the following proposal:<br>> ><br>> >> Subtag: pre-1911 / pre1911 [hyphen?]<br>> <br>> No hyphen is possible; subtags are limited to eight alphanumeric characters.<br>> <br>> Cheers,<br>> Philip<br>> -- <br>> Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com><br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:03:12 +0100<br>> From: Jo?o Miguel Neves <joao@silvaneves.org><br>> To: ietf-languages@alvestrand.no<br>> Subject: Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28<br>> Message-ID: <4E6E0310.1060204@silvaneves.org><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> Hi,<br>> <br>> Ok, this is enough for me to write the official proposals.<br>> <br>> One correction: 1990aolp has an official vocabulary in<br>> http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/ (Vocabul?rio Ortogr?fico do<br>> Portugu?s).<br>> <br>> The same doubt I had presented to Ant?nio: Why is the 1931 missing from<br>> the list?<br>> <br>> I don't think the pre1911 makes sense given that there are several<br>> reforms before. I'm in favor of waiting for someone to need anything<br>> before 1911 (the guy behind http://www.dicionario-aberto.net/ told me<br>> he'll probably need it, so it won't take much time).<br>> <br>> So, I'll fit the proposals to the templates for 1990aolp and 1945cil.<br>> Please tell me if the emails you want to be credited in are the ones you<br>> used on the mailing-list or not.<br>> <br>> I have no problems doing the others after I understand why 1931 is out.<br>> <br>> Best regards,<br>> Jo?o Miguel Neves<br>> <br>> Em 12-09-2011 12:56, Francisco Miguel Valada escreveu:<br>> ><br>> > Ant?nio Emiliano asked me to check the subtags, links and references.<br>> ><br>> > And we drafted the following proposal:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > Subtag: pre-1911 / pre1911 [hyphen?]<br>> > > Link: ---------------------<br>> > > Reference: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/31552/31552-pdf.pdf<br>> > ><br>> > > Subtag: 1911buo *<br>> > > Link: http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/21300.pdf<br>> > > Reference: http://purl.pt/424<br>> > ><br>> > > Subtag: 1945cil **<br>> > > Link: http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1945/12/27300.pdf<br>> > > Reference: Grande Dicion?rio L?ngua Portuguesa, Porto: Porto <br>> > > Editora, 2004.<br>> > ><br>> > > Subtag: 1990aolp<br>> > > Link: http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1991/08/193A00.pdf<br>> > > Reference: ***<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > * Bases para a Unifica??o da Ortografia<br>> > > O nome oficial da reforma ? "bases para a unifica??o da ortografia <br>> > > que deve ser adoptada nas escolas e nos documentos e publica??es <br>> > > oficiais", Cf. http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/20600.pdf, p. 6<br>> > <br>> > EN - The official name of the reform is: "bases para a unifica??o da <br>> > ortografia que deve ser adoptada nas escolas e nos documentos e <br>> > publica??es oficiais", Cf. http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/20600.pdf, <br>> > p. 6 [bases for the unification/unifying the orthography which shall <br>> > be adopted by schools and for use in official publications and <br>> > documents]<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > > ** Confer?ncia Interacad?mica de Lisboa de 1945<br>> > > O Decreto n.? 35:228 aprova os resultados da Confer?ncia <br>> > > Interacad?mica de Lisboa de de 10.8.1945 em harmonia com a <br>> > > Conven??o Luso-Brasileira de 29.12.1943 [Conven??o para a unidade, <br>> > > ilustra??o e defesa do idioma comum].<br>> > <br>> > EN - The 1945 decree approves the results of the Lisbon Interacademic <br>> > Conference, in accordance to the Luso-Brazilian Convention of 1943<br>> > <br>> > *** There is not an official authoritative reference for the 1990 <br>> > reform, besides the text of the "Agreement"; several dictionaries <br>> > have published which claim to be AOLP1990-compliant but the text of <br>> > the treaty (article 2) states that a Common Vocabulary must be <br>> > compiled with the collaboration of all the signatories.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Best regards,<br>> ><br>> > *<br>> > **Francisco Miguel Valada*<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > +32479855056<br>> > fmvalada@hotmail.com<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > This body part will be downloaded on demand.<br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-languages/attachments/20110912/a106c589/attachment.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Ietf-languages mailing list<br>> Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no<br>> http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages<br>> <br>> <br>> End of Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 104, Issue 3<br>> **********************************************<br></div> </div></body>
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