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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple>Correction: according to Section 2.2.4, numeric codes can be registered only if ISO 3166 reuses an alpha-2 code, as they did with CS.<p>--<br/>Doug Ewell • doug@ewellic.org<br/>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T</p><hr/><div><b>From: </b> "Doug Ewell" <doug@ewellic.org>
</div><div><b>Date: </b>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:20:03 +0000</div><div><b>To: </b><Misha.Wolf@thomsonreuters.com>; <ietf-languages@iana.org></div><div><b>ReplyTo: </b> doug@ewellic.org
</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: New UN M.49 code element for South Sudan</div><div><br/></div>The short answer is, region subtags don't attempt to cover that level of detail. If someone comes up with an actual language-tagging scenario where this ambiguity will pose a problem, we can look into the provision of BCP 47 that allows registering UN numeric codes directly. But I hope it doesn't come to that.<br/><p>--<br/>Doug Ewell • doug@ewellic.org<br/>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T</p><hr/><div><b>From: </b> Misha.Wolf@thomsonreuters.com
</div><div><b>Date: </b>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:50:20 +0100</div><div><b>To: </b><doug@ewellic.org>; <ietf-languages@iana.org></div><div><b>Subject: </b>RE: New UN M.49 code element for South Sudan</div><div><br/></div><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK, but the “SD” in language tags will then change from denoting one region to denoting another region (which is a subset of the first region).  This may not cause a problem.  I don’t know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s the same case as “YU” which used to denote one region and then denoted a substantially smaller region, before being replaced by “CS”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Misha<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Doug Ewell [mailto:doug@ewellic.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> 16 July 2011 20:44<br><b>To:</b> Wolf, Misha (M Content Mktpl); ietf-languages@iana.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: New UN M.49 code element for South Sudan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Misha Wolf <<a href="mailto:Misha.Wolf@thomsonreuters.com" title="Misha.Wolf@thomsonreuters.com"><span style='color:black'>Misha dot Wolf at thomsonreuters dot com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>What will we do re the rump “Sudan” if the ISO 3166 MA gives it the “SD” Alpha-2 code which used to belong to the old Sudan?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Good question.  That will almost certainly happen; the MA almost never changes code elements unless the name of the country changes substantially.  That being the case, we have little rationale for changing the subtag.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The answer is that we can:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>(a) Do nothing, or</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>(b) Add a Comments field to the record for SD, something to the effect of “See also XX”, in case we feel that this is necessary to identify a regional variety of one of the 133 (Ethnologue) living languages spoken in the old Sudan.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Optionally, we can also add a “See also SD” comment to the new XX region record.  This might provide a hint for backward-compatible matching, but again it would only be justified in the case where some language ‘xxx’ is spoken in South Sudan and also somewhere else, and the South Sudan variety needs to be identified as such in language tags, and this would have been tagged “xxx-SD” previously, and “xxx-XX” in the future.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>As a side note, I have no clue what the new alpha-2 code element will be.  Western European representatives on the MA might object to ‘SS’.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>--<br>Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA | RFC 5645, 4645, UTN #14<br>www.ewellic.org | www.facebook.com/doug.ewell | @DougEwell ­<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html><br>
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