<div>Thanks for the very speedy reply. Do you have a sense of when <a href="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/iso-639-3_xxxxxxxx.tab">http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/iso-639-3_xxxxxxxx.tab</a> will be updated?</div><div><br></div><div>
Mark<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 14:10, ISO639-3 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ISO639-3@sil.org">ISO639-3@sil.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Mark,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">[scr] and [scc] have been deprecated (I think that is the proper
term) now in Part 2. I thought I had removed them from the published tables.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">There is now no distinct Part 2B identifier in these two cases.
There is now only the one identifier for each.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you for bringing it to light.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Joan Spanne</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">SIL International</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">ISO 639-3 Registration Authority</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:iso639-3@sil.org" target="_blank">iso639-3@sil.org</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis ?<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@iana.org" target="_blank">ietf-languages@iana.org</a>; <a href="mailto:ISO639-3@sil.org" target="_blank">ISO639-3@sil.org</a>; <a href="mailto:iso639-2@loc.gov" target="_blank">iso639-2@loc.gov</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Mismatch between ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There is a discrepancy between ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3 for
certain three-letter codes. In particular, the bibliographic codes for Croatian
and Serbian are hrv and srp respectively in ISO 639-2,
whereas ISO 639-3 has them as scr and scc respectively. (There is also a
mismatch in the '3-letter code' for "sh", but that is less
important.)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My question is: which one should we believe: ISO 639-2 or
ISO 639-3?</p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Background</b></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
For ISO 639-3, we have the following:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<a href="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/iso-639-3_20100202.tab" target="_blank">http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/iso-639-3_20100202.tab</a></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;line-height:inherit">
<tbody><tr>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Id</b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Part2B</b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Part2T</b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Part1</b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Scope</b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Language_Type</b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ref_Name</b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Comment</b></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">hrv</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">scr</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">hrv</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">hr</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">I</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">L</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Croatian</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">srp</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">scc</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">srp</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">sr</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">I</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">L</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Serbian</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">hbs</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">sh</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">M</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">L</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Serbo-Croatian</p>
</td>
<td style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Code element for 639-1 has been deprecated</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On the other hand, we find the following in<br>
<a href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php</a><br>
which matches <a href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_utf-8.txt" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_utf-8.txt</a></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;line-height:inherit">
<tbody><tr>
<td valign="top" style="background:#FFFFEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">O
639-2 Code</span></b></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="background:#FFFFEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">ISO
639-1 Code</span></b></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="background:#FFFFEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">English
name of Language</span></b></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="background:#FFFFEE;padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">French
name of Language</span></b></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">...</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">hrv</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">hr</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">Croatian</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">croate</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">...</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">srp</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">sr</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">Serbian</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">serbe</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">...</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt 1.5pt"></td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Differences between B and T are indicated in the first
column, where they exist, such as:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;line-height:inherit">
<tbody><tr>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">wel (B)<br>
cym (T)</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">cy</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">Welsh</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">gallois</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If there are no such differences, then B and T are the same.
So this says that the B forms are hrv and srp respectively, whereas ISO 639-3
has them as scr and scc respectively.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">For ISO 639-2, "sh" is in a different file (there
doesn't seem to be a machine-readable form).</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_changes.php" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_changes.php</a></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;line-height:inherit">
<tbody><tr>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">[-sh]</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">(none)</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">Serbo-Croatian</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">serbo-croate</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">2000-02-18</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">Dep</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt 3.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333">This code was deprecated...</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In this case, the 3-letter code is indicated as none, while
ISO 639-3 has it as hbs. This is not as problematic, because 'sh' has a funny
status in 639-3.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mark</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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