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Scríobh Peter Constable:
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lang="EN-GB">... I think procedural issues would more likely be about
demonstrating that the user / expert community recognizes a
conventional distinction between the different varieties and that there
is reasonable consensus as to what the pertinent historical
distinctions in the evolution of Irish are. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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That, I believe, can be demonstrated, as indicated below, only to fill
in the request form. NSAI represents our user community (cc: list
OLD-IRISH-L, where the proposal was made and expert opinion invited).<br>
mg<br>
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<div class="headerdisplayname" style="display: inline;">To: </div>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE">TC46-L@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE</a><br>
From: Marion Gunn <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mgunn@ucd.ie"><mgunn@ucd.ie></a><br>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:43:21 +0000<br>
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As Ireland's (NSAI) sole representative in ISO/TC 37 for many years
during the 1990s and similarly Head of Ireland's (NSAI) ISO/TC 46
delegation until 2001, I would foresee few procedural difficulties, if
any in registering the proposed new language code in ISO-639-3, with
the assistance of Ian Cowan and Gay Moran of NSAI and Fidelma Ní
Gallchobhair of the Coiste Téarmaíochta (my successor in ISO/TC 37,
which now has a larger delegation than then, including Donla Uí
Bhraonáin of DCU). This proposal was not my idea, in fact, it would
never have occurred to me, but I would not see any harm in registering
such a tag (rather the reverse).
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mg
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Scríobh ejp10:
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Yes - this is a good idea, and this is a good group to do this. The
ISO-639-3 list is meant to be more linguistically accurate than the
older ISO-639 two-letter list, so it's good to get on it. There may be
some procedural issues, but I would assume the code will be accepted
because the language is so distinct from Old Irish.
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I would be happy to add my name to any list and provide any kind of
assistance from a standards perspective, although I should advise
everyone that I am really a Brythonic person at heart. <span
class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :) </span></span>
<br>
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Elizabeth
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On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:00 AM, OLD-IRISH-L automatic digest system wrote:
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From: Caoimhin O Donnaile <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:caoimhin@SMO.UHI.AC.UK"><caoimhin@SMO.UHI.AC.UK></a>
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Date: January 18, 2010 4:25:33 PM EST
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Subject: An official language code for Primitive Irish
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<br>
When I put David Stifter's translation to Primitive Irish (Ogam Irish /
<br>
Ancient Irish) of the three monks story up on the Internet:
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<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog">http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/sengoidelc/donncha/tm/ilteangach/?teanga=x-xog</a>
<br>
<br>
I had to invent a temporary code "x-xog" for the language, because it
seems
<br>
that although there are official codes for:
<br>
<br>
gv Modern Manx
<br>
gd Modern Scottish Gaelic
<br>
ga Modern Irish
<br>
ghc Hiberno-Scottish Gaelic (12th-17th centuries)
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mga Middle Irish
<br>
sga Old Irish
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<br>
xtg Transalpine Gaulish
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xcg Cisalpine Gaulish
<br>
xce Celtiberian
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as can be seen from the lists at:
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html">http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html</a>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp">http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/codes.asp</a>
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there is as yet no offical code for Primitive Irish. I have been
talking to
<br>
David and his view is that the linguistic step from Primitive Irish (at
the
<br>
middle of its chronological range) to Old Irish is at least as big as
the
<br>
step from Old Irish to Middle Irish, so that it would indeed be
appropriate
<br>
to give Primitive Irish a separate language code. The best code we
could
<br>
find which is still free is "pgl". If we proceed with a request, the
next
<br>
step would be for us to fill in the request form at:
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp">http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/submit_changes.asp</a>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc">http://www.sil.org/ISO639-3/ISO639-3_NewCodeRequestForm.doc</a>
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I was wondering first, though, whether list members might have any
comments.
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Does this seem like a good idea?, a bad idea?, any other thoughs?
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Caoimhín
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