<html>
<head>
<style><!--
.hmmessage P
{
margin:0px;
padding:0px
}
body.hmmessage
{
font-size: 10pt;
font-family:Verdana
}
--></style>
</head>
<body class='hmmessage'>
<BR>Hi!<BR> <BR>> From: doug@ewellic.org<BR>> To: ietf-languages@iana.org<BR>> CC: cewcathar@hotmail.com<BR>> Subject: Re: Language subtag modification form for 1694acad (Was: Flavors of Hepburn)<BR>> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:48:53 -0600<BR>> <BR>> CE Whitehead <cewcathar at hotmail dot com> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Actually, having a date will help to precise the variety, but thank <BR>> > you for your correction; in Canada and France, although accents are <BR>> > normalized by the end of the saweventeenth century 'oi' for 'ai' <BR>> > persists throughout the 18th century; and, at least in <BR>> > Canada/Louisiana/New France, I believe that 'oy' for 'oi' persists as <BR>> > well as 'parolle' for 'parole'--'speech' (this latter is strictly <BR>> > orthographic I think).<BR>> ><BR>> > The variety of "Early Modern French" that I described ( 'oi' for 'ai'; <BR>> > the past participle ending with e and the accent aigu being spelled <BR>> > without any accent as ez, er, or e, depending; 'loing' for <BR>> > 'loin'--'far;' 'coste' for 'cote'--'side'; finally, before a 't', e <BR>> > with accent aigu may be spelled 'es' as may e with a circumflex!) <BR>> > however seems to end largely around or just before 1700.<BR>> > ...<BR>> > A quick check at atilf suggests that 'oi' continued to be used for <BR>> > 'ai' until the end of the eighteenth century actually:<BR>> <BR>> This research is actually helpful to prove my point, that the various <BR>> attributes ascribed to "Early Modern French" died out at considerably <BR>> different times depending on the source, and that this language variety <BR>> is better defined by these attributes than by trying to specify strict <BR>> starting and ending dates. I recommend no change.<BR> <BR>Hmm, I would like a more precise description. "Early Modern French; its features include alternate forms for the past participle, 'oi' for 'ai,' and 'oste' for 'o[with circumflex]te.'"<BR> <BR>However I am sure that this description field is a bit long, so we can postpone this for now--and worry about the other subtags we are considering.<BR> <BR>Best,<BR> <BR>C. E. Whitehead<BR><A href="mailto:cewcathar@hotmail.com">cewcathar@hotmail.com</A> <BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA | http://www.ewellic.org<BR>> RFC 5645, 4645, UTN #14 | ietf-languages @ http://is.gd/2kf0s ­<BR>> <BR><BR> </body>
</html>