I agree with Addison. And adding that comment sounds good to me. Michael, should I go ahead and refresh my request?<br><br><br clear="all">Mark<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:04, Phillips, Addison <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:addison@amazon.com">addison@amazon.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">ISO 639 isn’t going to resolve the issue because they don’t have
one.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Regardless of whether it is deprecated or not, ‘sh’ is:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>-<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">a valid subtag</span></p>
<p style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>-<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">a macrolanguage subtag</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Politically ‘sh’ may be problematic, but no one is required to
use it and we have ample primary language subtags to replace it. Since the
registry does not permit multiple Preferred-Value fields, the most we could do
is provide a Deprecated field. Mark is proposing to remove the Deprecated field
since we don’t provide one for any other macrolanguage and since the RFC-to-be
deprecates the use of macrolanguages in general. It isn’t like people tagging
Serbian or Croatian are going to be confused, I think. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We can, of course, include a comment in the registry record
explaining things in this special case. Perhaps:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">%%</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Type: language</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Subtag: sh</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Description: Serbo-Croatian</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Added: 2005-10-16</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Scope: macrolanguage</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Comment: For most modern uses, the subtags for languages enclosed
by this macrolanguage</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> are usually preferred, cf. ‘sr’ (Serbian), ‘hr’ (Croatian),
‘bs’ (Bosnian).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">%%</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Addison</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Addison Phillips</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Globalization Architect -- Lab126</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Internationalization is not a feature.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It is an architecture.</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>CE Whitehead<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@iana.org" target="_blank">ietf-languages@iana.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> PROPOSAL: Remove Deprecation on "sh" in the IANA
subtag registry</span></p>
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<h1><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Hi, I went and looked these arguments over and am a bit on the
fence. Linguistically I believe that it is good to have a macrolanguage
in this case but politically it may not be so. I won't at this time
support a change, but will wait for a while to see if iso 639 ever resolves
this issue.</span><span></span></h1>
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<span style="color: black;">Best,</span><br>
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<span style="color: black;">C. E. Whitehead</span><br>
<a href="mailto:cewcathar@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: black;">cewcathar@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="color: black;"> </span><br>
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