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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I agree with Mark’s position.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I note, however, that at Doug’s behest, the reviewer extended
the period for this subtag by two weeks on 13 March. We must therefore wait
until 27 March, at which point anyone can petition the reviewer for a decision
on the original registration. If there is consensus to include a comment at
that time, the reviewer should determine that this is the case. Otherwise, I
hope that he will approve the original record for inclusion, noting that comments
may be registered in the future. In my opinion, this is what should have
happened in the first place.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Addison Phillips<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Globalization Architect -- Lab126</span><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Internationalization is not a feature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is an architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 16, 2009 8:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Doug Ewell<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ietf-languages@iana.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Last call for ISO 15924-based updates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In terms of action, it is
simple. You have to add the code, but if there is no consensus to add a
comment, then don't add a comment. Additional comments can always be added
later on; there is no reason to delay for them.<br>
<br clear=all>
Mark<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 20:15, Doug Ewell <<a
href="mailto:doug@ewellic.org">doug@ewellic.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Mark Davis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Now, in my opinion, 15924 should provide variants for major
orthographic differences; for one thing, it would make usage in major clients
like BCP47 work much better in those cases: currently major orthographic
differences count as less than minor regional differences in BCP47 lookup. And
for another, 15924 already has variants like Latf -- it would not be a great
stretch to add major othographic variants.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I'm sure all of us can think of something missing in one of
the commonly discussed standards that we wish were there, or something that is
present or planned that we wish were not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Had Addison and I realized that the script JAC wouldn't
allow major orthographic variants as script variants, I believe that we would
have proposed a way to register subtags in the script position when we did our
first draft of 4646, to get around the JAC position, and have BCP47 function
more properly. We thought that the JAC would be more practical. But that's
water under the bridge.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Actually I don't think using variants for IPA et al. is such
a bad idea. I think we had a good idea about the subtags appearing from left to
right in decreasing order of "importance," but I don't think a
roomful of people, or maybe even a closetful, will agree on which subtags are
more "important," and I'm afraid we won't find many applications that
actually take this into account.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>While I disagree with that position of the JAC regarding
orthographies, that doesn't mean that there isn't a principled difference
between the cases of IPA and Zinh where they can reasonably draw a line.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I'm hoping we can set aside philosophical differences about
ISO 15924 and reach an agreement on this apparently crucial "comment or no
comment" decision that is holding 'Zinh' out of the Registry. I
mean, I'm sure nobody is suffering because 'Zinh' is not yet in the Registry,
but it would be nice to finish pending business.<o:p></o:p></p>
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--<br>
Doug Ewell * Thornton, Colorado, USA * RFC 4645 *
UTN #14<br>
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target="_blank">http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages</a>
ˆ<o:p></o:p></p>
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