Hoi,<br>I have applied for a code under the ISO-639-5 for what Ethnologues indicates as "Low Saxon. <br><br>When they allow my reasonable request, the resulting code will be of a same value as any other ISO-639-5 code. The point as far as I am concerned that this code has an intended practical use. When you indicate that there is a reversion of accepting "groups", you will agree with me that a language is often a group.. a group of dialects. It has been often said that the difference between a language and a dialect is an army / a navy...<br>
<br>Language recognition do not imply that there is to be one orthography or that there is one dominant way of expressing the language. In the case of Lower Saxon, there is a difference in the way the German and the Dutch linguistic entities were treated. The question that should be answered in my opinion is: does this request serve a practical purpose and is the grouping sound. If they are, any aversion against this request prevents the functioning of this IETF process.<br>
<br>These questions can already be answered and in my opinion they do serve a purpose and the grouping is sound.<br>Thanks,<br> Gerard<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/2/24 Doug Ewell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:doug@ewellic.org">doug@ewellic.org</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">Gerard Meijssen <GerardM at wiktionaryz dot org> wrote:<br>
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> In Ethnologue the Dutch variations of "Low Saxon" have been split into<br>
> separate languages while the German entities are left as dialects. The<br>
> WMF Low Saxon community wants to start a Wikisource that will be<br>
> inclusive of both German and Dutch Low Saxon texts. In my<br>
> appreciation, we need an overarching group for the whole of Low Saxon.<br>
> Now as we are supporting groups in ISO-639-5, it seems reasonable to<br>
> ask for this,<br>
<br>
</div>I see at least four possibilities:<br>
<br>
1. There is no ISO 639-5 code element finer-grained than 'gmw' for "West<br>
Germanic languages" to meet your needs. Use it, either now or after the<br>
Registry is revised to include it, with the understanding that for your<br>
purposes it covers only a subset of the West Germanic languages.<br>
<br>
2. Request a new code element from the ISO 639-5/RA.<br>
<br>
3. Attempt to register a language subtag here to represent the Low Saxon<br>
group. This requires that you go through (2) first, and it could be<br>
problematic, because not only have we never registered a language subtag<br>
(and have a fairly strong aversion to doing so), but I'm not sure RFC<br>
4646 allows for a language subtag to be registered for a group.<br>
<br>
4. Use a private-use tag such as "x-lowsaxon".<br>
<br>
Any of these options is better than using a tag that looks official, but<br>
was invented outside this process, which several of the Wikipedias are<br>
still doing.<br>
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