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Hi, I guess your solution is fine; other collection codes do not have a suppress-script field, but I am still wavering on a decision.<BR>
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In any case, why is suppress-script not registered for any other collection codes? (There seem to be individual language subtags registered for some of the language included in these collections & these do have the suppress-script field--but what is the point of having these subtags--are they to be used with the individual language subtags? or alone? or both? if alone, is there any reason not to have a suppress-script when applicable other than expediency? Is there any recommendation not to have it?)<BR>
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Thanks.<BR>
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--C. E. Whitehead<BR>
<A href="mailto:cewcathar@hotmail.com">cewcathar@hotmail.com</A><BR>
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From: petercon@microsoft.com<BR>To: addison@amazon.com; kent.karlsson14@comhem.se; cewcathar@hotmail.com; ietf-languages@iana.org<BR>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:21:45 -0800<BR>Subject: RE: Proposed modified records for 'cpe' and 'son'<BR><BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Phillips, Addison<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 30, 2008 1:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Kent Karlsson; CE Whitehead; ietf-languages@iana.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Proposed modified records for 'cpe' and 'son'</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I concur with Kent.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Kent Karlsson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B> CE Whitehead; ietf-languages@iana.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Proposed modified records for 'cpe' and 'son'</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Note that "cpe" and "son" are codes for language *collections*, and they are the only<BR>such codes that have a "suppress-script". Collection codes aren't recommended for<BR>language tagging in the first place, and it is also unclear why these two codes ever got<BR>a "suppress-script". If collection codes are to have "suppress-script", I guess a few<BR>other collection codes should have such a field too, if the languages in the collection<BR>are all written the same script (but that would be a new take on collection codes,<BR>and how the manage them). Note also that these "suppress-script" fields were<BR>added at a time when the division into collection codes on the one hand, and<BR>macro+individual language codes on the other hand, was unclear (probably not<BR>affecting 'cpe', but maybe affecting 'son').<BR><BR>So I still recommend removing the "suppress-script" field from the records<BR>for 'cpe' and 'son'.<BR><BR> /kent k<BR><BR><BR><BR>Den 2008-12-30 17.29, skrev "CE Whitehead" <<A href="http://hotmail.com/">cewcathar@hotmail.com</A>>:</SPAN></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Hi, Doug, all:<BR>Make sure to remember to insert your correction to item 6 of the form for 'son'<BR>(and I am not sure about removing the suppress script for 'son' in any case; I'd need to research this more or abstain from commenting; I do think we can probably remove the suppress-script for "cpe"):<BR><BR>> The second registration removes the Suppress-Script value of "Latn" from <BR>the collective language subtag "son".<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR> <BR>Best wishes for the New Year.<BR> <BR>--C. E. Whitehead<BR><A href="http://hotmail.com/">cewcathar@hotmail.com</A> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:33:24 -0700<BR>> From: "Doug Ewell" <<A href="http://ewellic.org/">doug@ewellic.org</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: Proposed modified records for 'cpe' and 'son'<BR>> <BR>> The following two requests, to remove the Suppress-Script from 'cpe' and <BR>> 'son', were originated by Kent Karlsson last month. I posted these <BR>> forms on November 23 for a two-week review period, but for some reason, <BR>> they fell through the cracks. Since I'm usually the one who keeps track <BR>> of this stuff, I accept responsibility and apologize for this.<BR>> <BR>> Even though the review period has now gone on for more than five weeks, <BR>> I'd like to wait until the start of the new year before sending them to <BR>> Michael to submit to IANA. The urgency to make these changes doesn't <BR>> seem overwhelming, and it might be nice to give people a few extra days <BR>> to look at them during this busy Western holiday season.<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> <BR>> LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION<BR>> File-Date: 2009-01-01<BR>> %%<BR>> Type: language<BR>> Subtag: cpe<BR>> Description: Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other)<BR>> Added: 2005-10-16<BR>> %%<BR>> <BR>> ===<BR>> <BR>> LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM<BR>> <BR>> 1. Name of requester: Doug Ewell<BR>> 2. E-mail address of requester: <A href="http://ewellic.org/">doug@ewellic.org</A><BR>> 3. Record Requested:<BR>> <BR>> Type: language<BR>> Subtag: cpe<BR>> Description: Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other)<BR>> Comments:<BR>> <BR>> 4. Intended meaning of the subtag:<BR>> <BR>> 5. Reference to published description<BR>> of the language (book or article):<BR>> <BR>> 6. Any other relevant information:<BR>> <BR>> This registration removes the Suppress-Script value of "Latn" from<BR>> the collective language subtag "cpe".<BR>> <BR>> ===<BR>> <BR>> LANGUAGE SUBTAG MODIFICATION<BR>> File-Date: 2009-01-01<BR>> %%<BR>> Type: language<BR>> Subtag: son<BR>> Description: Songhai languages<BR>> Added: 2005-10-16<BR>> %%<BR>> <BR>> ===<BR>> <BR>> LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM<BR>> <BR>> 1. Name of requester: Doug Ewell<BR>> 2. E-mail address of requester: <A href="http://ewellic.org/">doug@ewellic.org</A><BR>> 3. Record Requested:<BR>> <BR>> Type: language<BR>> Subtag: son<BR>> Description: Songhai languages<BR>> Comments:<BR>> <BR>> 4. Intended meaning of the subtag:<BR>> <BR>> 5. Reference to published description<BR>> of the language (book or article):<BR>> <BR>> 6. Any other relevant information:<BR>> <BR>> This registration removes the Suppress-Script value of "Latn" from<BR>> the collective language subtag "cpe".<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Doug Ewell * Thornton, Colorado, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14<BR>>> Evidently if a mistake is worth making, it is worth making twice.<BR>> <BR>> The second registration removes the Suppress-Script value of "Latn" from <BR>> the collective language subtag "son".<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Doug Ewell * Thornton, Colorado, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14<BR>> <A href="http://www.ewellic.org/">http://www.ewellic.org</A></SPAN></P>
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